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Then you haven't watched the video, because we see the exact thing that is being quoted here:
They're celebrating, one of the terrorists has his leg over her and another terrorist is pulling her hair, probably both finally feeling manly and triumphant by killing a helpless woman, and they're literally letting the adorable Palestinians spit on her. If you don't see this in the video then you need a full eye check. You mentioning "brown people" is a pathetic attempt to reframe us as racists.
Worse of all her face is bloodied, likely she was killed or knocked unconscious. After that, why take her? Why shoot that video? Why the guy who comes back in the end and spits on her face? These are the actions of some people in Hamas. It doesn't help to deny it. My bet is that a lot of people also support Hamas due to the lack of a viable alternative since peace doesn't work. Please don't misunderstand me though, I dislike Hamas very much and there cannot be shit like this happening if they want to be taken seriously. It's not a very PR smart move either. This kind of hatred is what drives people to commit atrocities, and things need to deescalate. Not mentioning, however, that Israel's actions fuel much of that hatred would be not painting the full picture.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would watch this and not understand the "parading" aspect of it.
The video is disgusting. I really hope she is found alive.
Spotted the terrorist supporter
"Don't talk about the barbarism, war crimes, or rapes, committed by the people I support, it looks bad, and they...need our help"
What. The. Fuck.
You're not even saying just a general support Palestinians. You're literally saying we need to support the men slaughtering civilians and children, on video.
You can talk about it, but call it like it is. Don't make false accusations of the body being paraded. And even if they were parading it, address the context properly. It's terrible when an ugly thing happens, but at the end of the day these people are rightfully fighting for their freedom.
Holy hell you're fucked in the head.
I was going to make a point about the distinctions between killing IDF vs massacring hundreds of music festival attendees, but I suspect you also support rape as a legitimate weapon of war, as long as you're side is doing it, so I'm just going to dip out here.
Well, see ya then. For anyone else entertaining that idea, yes it is terrible when civilians are harmed, but all of that blood is on the hands of the Israeli apartheid regime.
Huh? How do you figure that? Isreal has done a ton of fucked things but that doesn't excuse massacring civilians. If you want support in fighting your oppressors you don't go around committing war crimes of your own. Both sides suck here.
I'm not excusing crimes against civilians. I'm saying Israel needs to be held accountable for them.
When you throw your hands up and say "both sides suck", what you're really doing is siding with the occupying apartheid regime.
"I'm not excusing the Hamas/Islamic Jihad massacre of the civilians at the music festival, I'm saying Israel needs to be held accountable for it"
Are you just incredibly bad at the English language and how to properly express your thoughts? Or was my translation of your sentiment correct?
You are close enough. As the aggressor and occupier, Israel is responsible for the consequences of Palestinian self-defense, as ugly as it might get sometimes. Every day that they persist with the occupation, they wager civilian lives.
Cool. You're quite literally pro-terrorism. Not in a rhetorical or hyperbolic sense, but in the very literal sense that you fully believe that massacring civilians is a legitimate and justified tool to use in order to achieve ones political and social objectives.
But you even go further and also believe that any acts of terrorism are solely the fault of the victims, or their government. The people committing those acts have no agency, or responsibility, for their actions.
The roster of terrorists includes the likes of John Brown, Bobby Sands, and Nelson Mandela, so we shouldn't automatically recoil from the term.
You're putting words in my mouth. Not once did I put any blame on the victims. And there should be accountability for individuals, which can be hastened by bringing an end to the occupation.
No. People who kill and/or rape a young girl and then parade her through the streets don't deserve our support, no matter how tough they've had it. I recommend rethinking your life choices, bud.
No Israel hasn't ever done that! No... I mean they wouldn't run a person over a bulldozer or intentionally blind camera people or murder journalists.
Wait no, they've done all of that.
https://lemmy.crimedad.work/comment/220097
The fuck is wrong with you? They've got a half naked dead woman in the truck and folks are spitting on her.
No support. How anyone can support these people is fucked up.
Black South Africans practiced necklacing, but still received lots of support. Would you not have supported the struggle against apartheid in South Africa?
One can support the ending of apartheid without condoning murder.
And yet you likely wouldn't have gotten one without the other.
This is simply not historically accurate. Without foreign nations pulling support for apartheid and switching to sanctions, apartheid would never have ended
You can't support the ending of apartheid without supporting the ending of apartheid.
-Malcolm X
The most significant factor in the end of apartheid was foreign sanctions. These murders were similarly unjustifiable and indefensible to the Hamas attacks
I take it then that you are a firm supporter BDS despite Hamas's alleged excesses. I don't know how the foreign sanctions against South Africa would have happened without a militant domestic struggle, but foreign sanctions aren't strictly necessary anyway. Afaik, there were no significant sanctions against the UK leading up to the Good Friday Agreement, for example.
Oh Shut the Fuck up with your fucking bullshit
You need to seek the aid of a mental health professional
This is precisely why we must condemn Hamas and anyone who cheers for this video. These bastards don't represent the Palestinians. That needs to be made crystal clear. They do all these horrific acts in the name of Palestine, then hide in mosques and hospitals -- so that if anyone tries to kill them, they'll kill the innocent people too.
No one can inflame resentment against Palestinians more than Hamas has already done. They've chosen to damn innocent Palestinians and take them hostage, by butchering innocent Israelis and taking them hostage.
If you support freedom for the Palestinian people, you must also support the swift end of Hamas. Otherwise you're just trying to hurt Israelis and don't give a shit about what happens to Palestinians.
Well, that's just nonsense. Hamas was democratically elected. Furthermore, the only Palestinian representation that Israel and its apologists will accept is one that puts Palestinian interests second.