Holy shit you right. Its convenience I guess for newbies. But yeah thats really bad for privacy.
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I mean, you can banish it to a browser, a dedicated even if you really wanted to. Matrix is not exactly the most beginner friendly thing tbh
matrix through Element is as user-friendly as discord 🤷
I haven't tried Matrix but I wouldn't call Discord user friendly either 🤪
No, it's not.
Even for tech savy people the security settings (i.e. cross-signing and backups) are confusing and Element points you straight towards them, without sufficient explanations.
Element is (impressively enough) also much more buggy than Discord.
Newbies don't need that when starting, and at least they will have a solid ground to work with.
I find it actually pretty straightforward for a non-technical person. The default settings all work fine. The more complicated stuff is relatively buried.
Matrix I feel is one of the better os for newbies You just send them towards element.io. Or at least that's what I did with my friend, when I wanted them to switch
Is it, though? It's intended to be a public forum either way. As the MPAA and RIAA should have learned, you can't really keep a public secret.
Using Discord just makes that transparent. You're absolutely being spied on, instead of jumping through a bunch of hoops to give yourselves false confidence that you're not being spied on.
Sure. It's an easy gotcha. But if you consider it a bit more it makes sense.
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It should be matrix. I doubt anyone who really understands would be using discord. It was probably just copied from the reddit one.
Came here to say this 👆 It's really not hard to get started or use, folks just drag their feet on it for some reason.
Change is annoying, folk don't like having multiple platforms to talk with. A network is only as strong as the number of participants in ot, and discord has won that by a long shot. I'd love to see Matrox grow myself.
but bridges exist, why not satisfy both communities? So both matrix users & discord users can join from their own platform
When I started using Matrix I definitely thought "wtf is this", but after 5 minutes and when I got invited to channels it all makes sense. Much prefer the privacy focused matrix
Count me out. Let me know when you revive the chat room on Matrix.
it does sound like a joke
Security experts are not on discord. Sounds like a honeypot.
Could somebody just create a Matrix group/channel/room/space already?
There are plenty already, why not a joint?
More solidarity/less division would be nice but it doesn't mean that some individuals wouldn't need to prove themselves to the tasks.
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privacy communities are a joke. dont trust any of them
They always glow af
Should be only certified letters
Certified? So they collect signatures? No thanks
Can't even trust owls, can't trust those blokes.
Anything that can turn it's head that far should never be trusted. Shifty bastards.
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You say that, but I see no evidence that Lemmy is a good place for privacy either, yet here you are. I know upvotes and down votes are public and I know that your post are freely shared and stored across the fediverse.
I don't mean this in a sort of "gotcha" way, but why shouldn't those things be public on this sort of platform? That seems like the bare minimum for a community to prosper
I don't mind if they are or aren't either way, but it doesn't make sense to tear down discord for essentially the same thing if you're ok with Lemmy doing it. Whether they should or shouldn't is another question. Also, it's possible for my upvotes and down votes to be collected but hidden much like it is on reddit.
Also, it's possible for my upvotes and down votes to be collected but hidden much like it is on reddit.
That's true for one single instance. But I'd think it'd be harder for your non home instances to track your votes without them being exposed in some way. Right?
Nah, every instance knows who up/down voted any post, reddit knew this data too but now anyone can spin up an instance to get it.
Which is kind of mandatory for how they've designed Lemmy. If you share upvotes between instances, then you've gotta provide sources. Otherwise it's too easy for one instance to manipulate all the others.
You could not share upvotes between instances, but that would really damage small instances. Imagine going to a small instance and instead of the Reddit front page you get the Reddit new page.
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yeah no shit it is a public forum
I'll take "what's a public forum" for 50!
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Matrix is a great discord-like experience. From my experience it's got different channels, direct messing and a focus it seems on privacy which is nice. Compared to discord that doesn't even support end to end encryption
Out of curiosity, why Matrix and not these other options:
- Jabber/XMPP - has a creat client called Conversations (decentralised)
- SimpleX - by far the most anonymous and potentially decent privacy (centralised server)
- Session - a Signal fork without requiring phone number
- all of the above are listed on F-Droid
Matrix is also decentralized/federated, has encryption integrated into the protocol and enjoys a broad adoption and public support. It also has pretty good integration of bots and even other message protocol services like IRC via "bridges". The chat clients are pretty good too; Element is pretty much available for every platform but there's other one's which are more focussed on Desktop or mobile usage, depending on how you primarily use it.
The main thing they lack is an easy to use Discord to [XMPP, simplex, session] bridge, If they have that then you could just hop on whichever you prefer and be in touch with the group. Love it or hate it, discord is the top chat app for the moment and being able to interact with it is a necessity.
Matrix has basically come in to place as IRC "2.0" with developers, nearly every fediverse project has Matrix channels, most open source projects in general are starting to have them. XMPP has many years on Matrix but it never took off in regards to that very critical niche of early adopters, developers and power users. XMPP was a good competetor to the web 1.0 chat apps of AIM and MSN but Discord and other apps are much more rich content focused.
Simplex seems to only have a command line interface for PC, it als owould be pretty clunky for groups i think, I have yet to see anyone advertise a Simplex "group chat" in the way they would a discord server, but perhaps there are examples out there.
Session is somewhat better but hinges on the success of a cryptocurrency for its continued development so thats a no from me, also seems to have a lot of scammers although perhaps not as bad as telegram.
Matrix has clients listed on F-Droid.
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There's a privacy-friendly Discord out there called Revolt. Honestly, though, it doesn't bug me if the chat is on Discord. I will not use it, even if it is on Matrix or Revolt.
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I like Discord. But it's not for privacy. Matrix seems to be pretty good.
Revolt is supposed to be a privacy-focused alternative to Discord. Haven't used it myself. Is it promising? Will it ever gain traction?
It's promising but it's very small. I've not really found a "home" on that place.
Jeeze! Even I have a discord to matrix bridge and my entire community is like 20 people, I think 2 of us use matrix.
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