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[–] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 142 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is a very good thing. Thank you EU for forcing us dirty heathens in NA to have consumer protections.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago

Once again, the EU drags the rest of us into modernity kicking and screaming.

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[–] BarterClub@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Isn't the main issue whether or not there's an ease to replace? There's like 20 steps and a bunch of easily breakable cables involved with replacing it currently.

I mean I think you can replace the Switch's battery too by that standard.

Same site even says it's only 1 extra step in total, though instead of the cables being in the way, it sounds like the shields a bit more difficult.

But like either of these replacements would require a technical user to do it.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

it should be done by 2027 at the latest it sounds like.

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[–] PM_ME_UR_PCAPS@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Says 2-4 hours and “difficult” on the battery replacement page

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And requires heating + prying.

If this is considered replaceable, I wonder what an non-replaceable battery would be. Soldered to the main board and trying to unsolder it causes a failsafe to short the CPU?

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

its an easy fix. replace the adhesive with stretch release battery adhesive.

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[–] SLaSZT@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah. The battery on my old Samsung Galaxy S4 literally just pops out with minor force applied as soon as the cover is off, leaving the phone ready for a new one to be slotted in. That is what "user replaceable" means.

Don't get me wrong, I am familiar with electronics, have a diploma in electrical engineering, have soldered hundreds/thousands of components, etc. and I could do this easily (though I have concerns about heating the battery). But most people cannot currently replace the battery without significant headaches.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Steam deck done.

Not really. Look up the Linus Tech Tips teardown. The battery is glued in super hard. Linus said he spoke to Valve about that and according to him Valve said they're looking into making it easier to replace at a later date. Since then I've not seen any reports about a change.

[–] Richie030@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Heat gun on the battery, that sounds fun

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[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i think 'user replaceable' should involve no tools, and a minimum of time. if step one involves removing eight tiny screws, and it only gets more cumbersome from there, i don't think it counts.

[–] faeranne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

The currebt rule says "No propritary tools" which seems reasonable when you add in that glueing in is considered "non-replacable" too. The GBA SP needed a single screw to hold in it's battery and nothing else. Plus with proper threading, screws last much longer than plastic clips.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think there should be a requirement for easily expandable storage as well.

Switch and Steam Deck seem to be OK for this, but I'd like to further piss on Apple's chips.

[–] SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net 21 points 1 year ago

I think it should be fully replaceable storage, not just expandable because a lot of companies throw out completely fine devices to get rid of sensitive information on the soldered drives

[–] br3w0r@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, in place of the EU I would fuck apple up for their decision on soldered ssd. It's not only stupid, but just inhuman towards nature.

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[–] kratoz29@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Excellent, I like that I can replace batteries easily from my old handhelds, the only issue for that case is finding trusted ones.

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a good thing Valve makes the official parts and tutorials available on ifixit for the deck

[–] damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

The battery is still unnecessarily glued in with permanent adhesive that requires a heat gun to melt it though.

I never understand why batteries need to be glued in at all, surely pure friction will keep them in place. If you really need them stuck down use pull tabs.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

New switch confirmed before 2027!

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[–] vd1n@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Thank you EU! Please come to America and slap the shit outta everyone.

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[–] JuliusSeizure@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a fantastic change, every battery powered device should have self serviceable replaceable parts if it is safe for an untrained individual to do so.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if it is safe for an untrained individual to do so.

Remove this part and I agree. If you don't know how to repair it yourself, you can always go to an independent repair shop. But if manufacturers don't have to make parts available, you are at the mercy of the manufacturer.

So make the parts available and publish schematics, and those who want to can attempt the repair themselves, and those who don't can take it to a repair shop.

Manufacturers use the "but it's dangerous!" excuse to lock people into their ecosystem and/or support planned obsolescence. That needs to end.

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[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

3.5mm jack! Sd cards! IR transmitter!

Steam Deck has 2/3 but an IR blaster would be dope. I wish phones still had them too.

Steam Deck with swappable batteries would be badass.

[–] degrix@lemmy.hqueue.dev 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hopefully this doesn’t just manifest itself as simply not selling these devices in the EU. Seems highly unlikely that would be the case, but a possibility I suppose.

[–] ninchuka@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt they would do that since the EU is such a big market

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[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Steam Deck is nearly there with replaceable batteries. You need to have a bit of experience to do it, but Valve doesn't impede on you or your warranty when performing your own battery replacement.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have a 2012 asus s46c laptop. Replacing its battery is as easy as sliding a nitendo switch joycon into/out of the console. Other laptops from around that time have similarly easy to remove batteries. There's no lack of know-how and I doubt making it easily replaceable is "more expensive" during production. Any company that solders or glues them must do it out of pure spite against the customers.

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[–] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I wish the EU would just stop getting their grubby hands ibto everything they possibly can

Gotta love the reddit-tier "downvote anyone who disagrees" mindset here. It's like I never even left reddit!

[–] Dassen@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Genuinely curious why you are against pro consumer legislation?

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[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (13 children)

How dare they make things better for us!

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[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This guy's whole comment history section is about arguing and being a contrarian. I've tagged him as such.

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[–] crimsdings@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I downvoted you because every comment from you makes you more of an ass then the previous. You spouted your nonsense opinion and then refused to even elaborate it - either you are here to troll or you have no arguments. However in the end you are just a rude ass.

Corpo account detected

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