Please do not. Although I don't personally want to see lolicon stuff, many of the servers willing to host it have communities I want to interact with. For instance, burggit.moe is where the touhou communities went and is otherwise a pretty nice instance aside from loli communities.

It is content which, while understandably offensive to some, harms nobody. All fictional porn, no matter how deviant it is, is ultimately more ethical than real porn can be.

It should be up to users to block or hide instances with content they don't wish to see, and defederation should be reserved for communities that consistently cause interference, not for communities that simply have content which one disagrees with.

Users can block whole communities just like blocking individuals, I hope people will consider doing that before advocating complete defederation if possible.

Disclosure, sh.itjust.works isn't my home server but we're obviously federated.

No need to defederate. I just went and blocked loli and related communities that popped up. I will never see them again.

So, my vote is NAY.

To everyone saying just block the communities:

1. I don't want to have to block communities. In order to know I need to block a community, I have to see content which I feel is worth blocking. That's fine for most cases but in this case that is not fine (to me personally).

2. I don't necessarily want to associate or interact with people who are fine having a server with loli as their home server. Not to be mean about it but that's just how I feel flat out.

I think this is an instance where de-federation is the correct course of action.

Isn't that the point of decentralization allowing users to pick and choose what they want to see? If you don't want to see Loli all you have to do is block the server from your feed. I'm not a fan of Hentaiof any of its subs. But I digress, I'm not on your server so I guess I don't really have a say. 😁

Why not just leave it up to users on user by user basis? Are we already trying to regulate stuff on this platform? Block stuff if you don't like it, ignore if not. I'm by no means for loli personally, but that's going to start a snowball of overstepping and pretty soon it'll be like R where everything is locked, deleted, blocked, or hidden.

If it's not illegal, ignore it.

I too would like the ability to block at the instance level as a user. Haven't come across loli, but @lemmynsfw.com does show up quite a bit when looking at All.

I have no problem at all with other sh.it.heads wanting to look at/interact with nsfw stuff from that instance, but I'm personally not interested. Given this, defederation seems extreme, but blocking on a community-by-community basis is time consuming and, as others have said, necessitates seeing the content to some degree (pretty sure you can choose whether stuff is blurred or not in your feed via the settings). I'd rather key '@lemmynsfw.com' into a block list once, and go back to what I'm doing.

I dont think defederation is the way to go here. It could be another scenario that could be solve elegantly via a tagging system.

But I agree that stuff which is in a legal grey area or outright forbidden in many countries should not show per default on All. There already is a NSFW setting that you can activate and deactivate (this btw can solve the issue to 99% for you right now if you're willing to pass on other NSFW content).

There could be an additional setting to see things that "might be illegal in your country of residence" or simply NSFL. If you then mark such communities appropriatly it could solve the issue for people that want a) no exposure and b) no legal risk due to being shown such communities. And I count myself among those that dont want anything to do with loli or the likes.

I'd like that shit gone too. I understand not wanting to close ourselves off too much but I think things like avoiding groups that are ok with shit like loli is a no brainer.

Yeah, full agree. So far I've only had to block a few communities to get the loli to stop popping up on all, but a rogue instance could really start to spam people with pretty horrible stuff. That's what defederation is for, it seems, but there needs to be some rules in place for when the instance ban-hammer gets called upon.

It would be very nice if clients like Jerboa allowed users to choose to ban/filter specific instances for themselves without affecting everyone else, though.

I'd also like to have the ability to block entire instances. Not sure if the architecture would allow that, but at least the mobile apps should be able to filter out all posts from a specific instance

I am biased in this situation, but I just think leaving it to the individual to block specific communities is better than blocking an entire instance for every user.

Just block the communitys you don't want to see.

Absolutely block instances hosting illegal content - the way federation works means copies / caches of content can end up on this server? Or even if that’s not how lemmy does it, it risks using this server to facilitate the spread of something incredibly harmful & damaging.

As far as I’m concerned there’s no argument for allowing / normalising content produced which quite literally ruins peoples lives.

Edit: Even stuff that’s purely cartoonish in nature for me is just grim, and I don’t want to be a part of a community which supports it.

Edit2: If a server can block a specific community posting CSAM then maybe that's a better solution than blocking the underlying infrastructure. If that's not possible, I think defederation is the only real way to deal it, as frustrating as that would be for legitimate users.

For the sake of argument I’ll approach this from a different perspective than everyone else.

Depending on jurisdiction there might be implications in hosting an instance that is federated with instances that host loli. I’m not familiar enough with Canada’s laws and / or le Code Civil du Québec to know if it is considered CSAM, but assuming it is does federating with those communities replicate the media on this instance as well? Would this count as ‘redistributing it’?

What is loli?

I think as a user you can block a particular instance from showing up in your feed (for just you obviously).

Im afraid to ask, but what is loli? Definitely don’t feel like looking it up if people are that put off by it.