163
top 29 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 month ago

I gotta be honest, I love his deadpan dry ass thumbnails.

[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 34 points 1 month ago

His voice isn't much different!

I watch his videos because it's nice to have an insider view of what was the formative years of Microsoft's ~~assimilation~~ creation of a common office workspace. The anecdotes are deliciously 90's, the openness is refreshing, and the implementation detail is quite interesting.

My other half likes the videos because he has that quite monotone voice, with quite an even canter and the odd lingering pause that can send her to sleep.

Win win.

[-] iliketurtles@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Seems right on brand for him. He wrote a book about his life and struggles being on the spectrum. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not intentional at all.

Amazon Link to book

[-] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Dollar-store Arnold says eat more cigars.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 month ago

Microsoft loves open source!

Meanwhile FreeDOS being a drop in replacement for decades

[-] ConfusedPossum@kbin.social 20 points 1 month ago

What are the consequences of this

Like does this mean they could develop an app where you just have a library with all those nostalgic legacy games

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 25 points 1 month ago

DOS wasn't a very complex OS and has already been reverse engineered more or less completely. Apps like DosBox already exist. It might cause a couple of minor revelations if/when the source is finally opened but I doubt it will have a big impact.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

It might cause a couple of minor revelations if/when the source is finally opened

Isn't the whole post about it being opened? It's released: https://github.com/microsoft/MS-DOS

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They trickle out versions over the years. This time they published version 4. The versions up to 6.22 (standalone) and ~~up to 9~~ 7-8 (part of Windows 9x-ME) are yet to be published.

[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Weren't versions for 95/98 7.0 and then for ME 8.0?

[-] moody@lemmings.world 19 points 1 month ago

Very little. Older versions had already been open-sourced previously. This is specifically version 4.0, and the last version released was 8.0.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Technically correct, but 7 and 8 were part of Windows 9x.
The last standalone version was 6.22

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I thought this was a specific, unpopular version. The versions people actually used are still closed. Did that change?

[-] anlumo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

No, still the same.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

4.0.x wasn't great but it was used pretty heavily.

It'll be slightly interesting to see it, and I'm not sure a more "popular" version like 5.0 would be much more interesting.

I'm curious about releasing 6.0 or 6.2, which MS was forced to recall because they "stole" some technology and put it in DOS. Although part thatd be interesting would be any damning code comments.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wonder what the reason was for so much being in raw assembly when C existed. A basic library/API would be one of the first things I'd tackle in an OS. Move on to a higher level as soon as you're able.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

C compilers (at least on personal computers) weren't great at optimization back then and every kilobyte mattered - the user only got 640 of them, going beyond that required jumping through hoops.
Similar for MHz, hand optimization was important for performance since there was so little CPU time to go around.

[-] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

And also legacy... If something is already written in assembly and you want to add a feature, you're not going to completely rewrite it.

[-] palordrolap@kbin.social 12 points 1 month ago

Compilers were much less complex back then and didn't do a great deal of optimisation. Also hardware was slow, so your compiled code, which wasn't necessarily optimal either before or after the compilation phase, was at least half as fast as you wanted it to be.

If you wanted speed, you hand-rolled assembly.

[-] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Not everyone knew C.

Lack of trust: what was it doing behind the scenes? What's if it just went and ..... allocated memory all by itself!!

Optimization wasn't so good back then. People believed that they could write better assembly. For speed and size.

Memory was tight. C would include big libraries even if only one function was needed. If "hello world" was several k in size, that added to the suspicion (even though that was a fixed overhead in practice).

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 4 points 1 month ago

People believed that they could write better assembly. For speed and size.

Now we know we can't write better C.

Though my teacher in tech school a few years ago ran an entire OS, where everything is written in assembler. What was it?

[-] Macros@feddit.de 4 points 1 month ago

Maybe Kolibri OS?

Its an amazing project, booting from a single floppy disk into a full graphical OS with multiple tools. And that on PCs with almost no RAM.

I sometimes use it to backup ancient PCs.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, sounds like this, thanks!

Makes me wonder why the suckless guys don't hook in there.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 7 points 1 month ago

Because Ryan wrote it like this 10 years ago and nobody bothered to rewrite it in C.

Back then, I'd guess most developers were relatively fluent in assembly, so if there's only a small change to make, they'd just change the assembly and move on.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Everyone knew assembler back then. I did and I'm no developer today.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I...don't think that's true. Or the reason why.

Anyone doing, say, OS development, sure.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah but 6.22 when

[-] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 0 points 1 month ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/watch?v=BR6F0EdyulA

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

this post was submitted on 15 May 2024
163 points (94.5% liked)

Technology

55562 readers
3854 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS