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[–] Turun@feddit.de 36 points 4 months ago (45 children)

I understand the motivation behind this opinion and would like to see testing of beauty products on animals outlawed. But pigs with lipstick is not really what you take the most issues with, is it? It's about giving rabbits cancer so we can test new cancer drugs on them. Assuming we make that illegal, how do you propose new cancer treatments should be tested?

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Why would it be ok to test on non-human animals but not on humans?

[–] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (26 children)

Do you participate in modern medicine? Do you have any vaccinations or taken any antibiotics? Animal testing makes it possible. What alternative do you propose?

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Both occurr.

There are experimental medication trials with volunteer human subjects, often people in a situation where they have nothing to lose and whatever small contribute they may give to advance knowledge on a given field may very well be their last (or only) act of compassion towards others.

Make-up and so called beauty products can and should be tested on humans alone. But medications and other alike present too much of an unknown outcome to test outright on humans. Too many could die before any good data could be gathered to improve whatever is being developed, which would render most research undoable.

Animal testing is, as we stand, a necessary evil we must all carry with us. Let us hope we find a way to end this in a very near future.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The animals didn't consent either and will also die.

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Some carnists are so awful they can't even be satisfied with their almost complete hegemony. They have to come into our spaces to explain why we're actually dumb dumbs who changed huge portions of our lives and isolated ourselves socially without really thinking the basics through.

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