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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I thought Google wallet generated a unique card id for every transaction.

This is a interesting bug, but I think fairly niche. Not many people use app pinning at all.

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the PoS supports tokens, it'll use unique tokens for each payment. If the PoS doesn't support tokens, the phone has a virtual credit card number linked to the real one, so if it does get stolen, you can just remove the card from your Google Wallet to deactivate it. Your real card number is never exposed.

Even then, credit card numbers on their own aren't that useful anymore. Any online payment needs the CVC and PoS devices usually require chip or tap cards, which don't use the number. On top of that, credit card companies have purchase price restrictions when using swipe because of the security risks vs chip (which is why most PoS devices don't support swipe anymore).

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago

Great explaination. Thank you

[–] justalittleguy@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

"which is why most PoS devices don't support swipe anymore"

huh?

[–] intelati@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

I didn't even realize "app pinning" was a thing.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Turn off NFC unless you are using it at that moment.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Woah, first I learned of this. https://www.lifewire.com/turn-off-nfc-to-secure-your-android-smartphone-2532822

Kinda sucks that there's no quick button for that. I can turn off Bluetooth, wireless, auto-rotate, etc in a single setting but not NFC?

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm so envious of you. I don't have that.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I don't have NFC at all. Ultimate safety.

[–] NemoWuMing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which system do you have, with the NFC quick toggle?

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pixel 4a w. GrapheneOS, but I'm pretty sure I had that too on the stock ROM

Edit: OK, WTF. Apparently I misremember it or I actually had a version with that toggle. Some say it has been removed and some say it never was there in the first place. I know that you can't really rely on memory, but I could swear it was there on Android 10 or 11

[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

P7P with Android 13, I don't have it. Wonder why it was removed...

[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I have it on Android 13 on my Motorola.

[–] Kaliax@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many Samsung devices have a quick button for NFC toggling in their drop down menu, not sure about other phones though.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I have a Samsung Galaxy Watch, it has a button for that too. But also the Wallet app on the watch has to be manually opened to use it anyways, it's not passive background app. I think I might just disable NFC on my phone and stick to using my watch for payments.

[–] Arda1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You can diasble all sensors and make a quick button for it in dev settings, dont remember how exactly it is called tho

[–] evident5051@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You can try using Tasker to create a task that turns on NFC and launches Google Wallet / Pay afterwards.

After that, create another profile to turn off NFC when the screen is locked.

[–] paper_clip@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

The loophole seems to be having an app pinned to the screen (I've never done this, but it presumably keeps the phone from locking) while requiring you to have an unlocked phone to use NFC payments. This doesn't seem to be a common scenario (I can imagine doing this in some sort of kiosk mode, or giving the phone to a kid and locking the app so he can't wander around).

This is why Samsung pay is king, the NFC only turns on when you’re using Samsung pay otherwise it stays off