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Games consoles are infuriatingly exempt from California's otherwise important new right to repair bill (www.pcgamer.com)

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California, the biggest state in the US when it comes to both population and the sheer volume of tech companies squeezed into its borders, has just passed the country's most extreme right to repair bill in the US (via Ars Technica). It's the third state to pass such a bill, but goes further than either Minnesota or New York in that it forces companies to support their products for longer. But while it will cover gaming PCs and laptops, games console manufacturers get a free pass.

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There are exceptions, however, and it seems like games consoles are somehow exempt from this right to repair requirement. Guess someone's been lobbying against the inclusion of consoles, eh? The bill itself talks specifically about an "electronic or appliance product" or just a "product", but stipulates that doesn't include a video game console.

"'Video game console' means a computing device, including its components and peripherals, that is primarily used by consumers for playing video games, such as a console machine, a handheld console device, or another device or system. 'Video game console' does not include a general or an all-purpose computer, which includes, but is not limited to, a desktop computer, laptop, tablet, or cell phone."

So, that means your Xbox, PlayStation, and Switch consoles are all seemingly exempt from having to offer long term support, but at least in the computing space your PC and laptop will be covered.

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[-] sfgifz@lemmy.world 86 points 9 months ago

Did Apple figure out a way to classify iPhones and Macs as game consoles then?

[-] dept@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 9 months ago

they did show the iPhone 15 playing resident evil village

[-] XTornado@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unless it switches to primarily being used for playing games that is a no.

That said that presentation (and some othe previous stuff)... make some suspect that an apple console that is only digital and pulls from their store isn't that far fetched nowadays. Or s new apple tv more gaming oriented I guess.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 6 points 9 months ago

Apple Pippin II

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Breakout. And... Super Breakout.

[-] CaptFeather@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wait holy shit. I was in a thread talking about the 15 and it was mentioned that Apple seems to be heading this way with the hardware they've been adding. This would explain why they didn't fight this bill

[-] Exusia@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why yes! My product the Google iPixel ZFold 15 is a gaming console! You would think it's a phone because of the calling and phone-like features however it is exempt from right-to-repair because it plays Genshin with more fraps than any other gizmo and doohicky in anyone's pocket in this hemisphere!

And you would be remiss to assume my Grapple ThinkPad 2025 is a mere laptop! Nay! A gaming console it is! It can't even run the Chrome Dinosaur for 35 seconds without running out of RAM and is really built for content creation and the school setting in mind, but it is absolutely built for gaming and also omitted from right-to-repair!!

[-] RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 9 months ago

So if you can play doom on it then it’s a gaming console. Everything is a gaming console now.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

You jest, however Asus makes ROG gaming phones.

[-] XTornado@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

It should be the primary use so no.

[-] DigitalNeighbor@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Console vendors, particularly Nintendo absolutely hate it when someone tries to thinker with their products. There was a Darknet Diaries podcast from August 1 named 'Team Xecuter' that gives some insight into this. Funnily enough, not every country is encouraging this behavior from Nintendo like the U.S. is. France is pretty lenient on console modders, for example.

[-] 520@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Umm... important context: Team Xecuters work was based on enabling piracy on the device. It had fuck all to do with repairs or non-security-compromising mods

[-] clutch@lemmy.ml 25 points 9 months ago

Nintendo of America must have paid $$$ to the politicians

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago

Because fuck you peasants... What you are gonna about it, bitches?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hopefully at the very least they'll call their state representatives and tell them about the bullshitness of this exclusion.

[-] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Japan would rather die. Microsoft, I don't know what their shit deal is.

[-] ChronosWing@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago

I think they are somewhat ok with it? They did just start selling controller parts for self repair. Not sure if they will ever sell parts for the series consoles but who knows.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/xbox-repair-parts

[-] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

What about steam deck ? Is it a video game system or a handled pc ?

[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

Doesn't really matter, Valve are happy for you to do what you like with it already.

[-] CleverFunnyName@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

How about if Microsoft made a similar product?

[-] virtualbriefcase@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

My guess is it would be considered a general purpose computer, assuming it runs standard Win/Linux and can run any software even if it's specs and shape are geared towards games.

Not a lawyer though, just guessing

[-] wutBEE@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago

Assuming there’s no general computing/desktop mode, I’d expect it to be qualified as a console.

[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

I don't get the context of this question at all? Like, would it come under console definition, or just what would I think in general?

[-] CleverFunnyName@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You said it doesn't matter if it's a video game system or a handheld pc because Valve doesn't care what you do with it. Another company might care what you do with their similar device, so perhaps it would matter to you then.

And the point is that we should consider whether details of a legal decision matter regardless of the specific companies involved.

[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Someone specifically asked what it would count as and I pointed out that valve are already repair friendly. I was only talking in the context of that specific machine.

[-] 520@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

PC. It's running PC hardware and PC software.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

So how many of you are planning on contacting your state representative to tell them this exclusion in the new law is bullshit?

[-] eee@lemm.ee -3 points 9 months ago

i've always just used my PC, so I'm fine :)

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