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What are your thoughts on steam key sites? have you even bought a key from sites like g2a? are they a scam or are they cool, also do you have a story to share about steam keys.

i was planning on getting a mystery pack from g2a or whatever its called but im not sure if its a scam or not.

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[โ€“] Eddie@lemmy.lucitt.social 94 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It has been said by many indie developers many times that purchasing games through key resellers is objectively more harmful for the developers than piracy entirely.

Key resellers tend to buy keys in bulk using credit cards. When the bank reports the card stolen, steam issues refunds. The developer of the game is responsible for these charge backs, not the storefront.

Basically, if you buy games from key resellers not only are you not giving developers money that they deserve, but you're literally taking it out of their pockets. Do not buy from key resellers, pirate instead.

Source via BBC News

[โ€“] Bazzatron@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Okay, noted, buy all my Ubisoft and EA games through G2A etc ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“] Eddie@lemmy.lucitt.social 13 points 2 years ago

you have 300 IQ over here

[โ€“] Crow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

This is a great idea. Now only if they made any games I actually want to ownโ€ฆ

[โ€“] Tanoh@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, look at this blog post from Factorio team, it is a few years old by now but still valid

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-303

They start talking about G2A about half way through the post. Basically they much rather see you pirate the game than buy it through G2A

[โ€“] Harpuajim@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mike Rose talked about that specifically and it was nothing more than a PR stunt to sell games. When G2A had that "contest" to prove that stolen keys were sold on their site and they would pay you 10X what you lost we found out that G2A only sold 5 copies of Rose's game on their site. Not 5 stolen copies, 5 sold copies total. Then other devs like that Charlie Cleveland clown said that stolen games were sold on G2A before G2A even existed.

[โ€“] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Wait, so those 5 Factorio buyers sent at least 7 E-mails to the Factorio devs? The blog post there has 7 example E-mails.

That indicates quite clearly that someone is lying. Given that one "someone" in this case has hosted thieves, I feel pretty safe suggesting who that is.

[โ€“] Tanoh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

There is a follow up post as well, at the very end they write a bit more about it. And much more than 5 keys.

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-348

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[โ€“] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

As a former indie dev, you also get innundated with scams. At least a couple of emails a day pretending to be moderately famous YouTubers or gaming sites.

It was a huge time sink to verify them but we couldn't just ignore them occasionally one of them was a moderately famous YouTuber.

It was a shitty feeling. If you can't afford the game, pirate it.

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[โ€“] gk99@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (10 children)

G2A sells sketchy stolen keys, so does Kinguin. I've never had an issue buying from them, but plenty of other people have.

There are plenty of reputable sites though. When I'm looking for a game on sale, I go to IsThereAnyDeal.com and all the sites they list are legit.

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[โ€“] ono@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, they are not legit.

Sometimes the keys they sell work, sometimes they don't, and sometimes they start out working but later get revoked. But more importantly...

They are even worse for the developers than pirating the games:

It is better to wait for a Steam/GOG/Humble sale. Price tracking sites like this one can be helpful:

https://isthereanydeal.com/

[โ€“] dhamster@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

As a small game dev, I can tell you that I get a lot of emails from people impersonating content creators requesting keys for "review." They then turn around and sell those keys on sites like Kinguin to make a quick buck. If you buy from key reseller sites, that's who you are supporting. Developers don't see a cent.

[โ€“] lenathaw@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Some are legit, some are scams.

As a rule of thumb, of it is featured in isthereanydeal.com , then they're safe

[โ€“] suzyq@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've only ever used Humble Bundle to buy steam games not on steam itself. I haven't had a single steam key issue in the 13 odd-years that they've been around. ยฏโ \โ _โ (โ ใƒ„โ )โ _โ /โ ยฏ

[โ€“] Veraxus@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

@suzyq Correct answer. Other than Humble, key resellers are almost unanimously peddling stolen keys.

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[โ€“] DigDoug@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Gamedevs would prefer that one pirate the game outright than use shady key resellers.

[โ€“] simple@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

g2a and similar websites are grey market websites. That means they're not literally illegal, but most of their keys are usually gotten illegally. Sometimes (it's rare, but it happens) people buy keys and they get revoked later if Steam confirms it was stolen. I wouldn't use them at all if you care about giving the developers their money, you might as well pirate it.

Meanwhile there are legit websites like Fanatical that do sell cheap mystery keys. Most of them are shovelware they're trying to get rid of, don't bother.

[โ€“] ultrasquid@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Most are scams, but there are reputable ones, like Humble Bundle and Fanatical.

[โ€“] Steinsprut@szmer.info 10 points 2 years ago

Mystery packs are always just a scam to get rid of worthless keys by an illusive promise of possibly getting a good game

[โ€“] johntash@eviltoast.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that even if some are scams, they might appear to work at first. The problem is that the key you get may be marked as stolen or purchased with a stolen credit card/etc, and then your key becomes invalid even if you've already redeemed it.

[โ€“] QuietStorm@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

noted, then would the best option to get games, is thru steam sales?

[โ€“] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

There are actual authorized key seller sites out there (Green Man Gaming, Fanatical, GamesPlanet, AllYouPlay, IndieGala, Voidu, etc.), you just need to make sure they're not selling ill-gotten keys. Basically, if the price seems like it's too good to be true (as it always will on grey market keyshops like G2A, Kinguin, etc.), that's because it is too good to be true.

As others have mentioned, use https://isthereanydeal.com/ to find the best prices. They don't let illegitimate sites into their listings.

[โ€“] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I sell my Humble Bunlde choice keys - not everything is stolen. It's my thing, I bought it, I'm entitled to selling it and someone else is entitled to buying it.

[โ€“] grayhaze@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've never had any issue with CDKeys, and they seem legit. Unlike G2A they're not a marketplace for shady resellers.

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[โ€“] hogart@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've used eneba quite a bit. Even for MMOs. Never an issue. If someone knows it's a bad site, please comment. G2A seems to be the devil.

[โ€“] Kaleunt17@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Made severall purchases on G2A and Kinguin and never had a problem. I only buy old games though and only from resellers with a lot of reviews.

Stopped with G2A however when they asked me to upload an ID.

[โ€“] lonke@feddit.nu 5 points 2 years ago

Often times g2a keys are purchased with stolen credit cards or acquired through other sketchy means and the game risks becoming invalid days or weeks after purchase. Had it happen to a friend a while back with Civilization 5.

[โ€“] TheTechNerd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Been using CDKeys and it is all good

[โ€“] Harpuajim@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a key on G2A but you're asking to get ripped if you buy some mystery pack. Just buy the specific game you're looking for if it's the cheapest deal. I buy a lot of my games on there because many times it's the best price but I've never purchased those mystery bundles.

[โ€“] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even in a situation where you're relatively assured to get the game, it can still be damaging to foreign markets. Further use of sites like G2A can encourage publishers to pull out of markets where they'd set regional prices, denying lower-income countries access to those games, and ensuring no future low G2A prices.

They've also habitually been used as a way to launder money. If a pickpocket steals someone's credit card, they typically use it to quickly buy a large number of game keys to sell to sites like G2A before the card gets canceled, resulting in a situation that's difficult for the publisher to reverse without negative attention from a buyer that believes themselves legitimate. It's possible that those sites stopped allowing anonymous key purchases now, but it's still a bad mark on them historically.

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[โ€“] PixelOfLife@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've bought a ton of stuff (both games and DLC) from G2A and never had any issues.

[โ€“] dom@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[โ€“] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Nothing bad has happened to me so nothing bad can ever happen!"

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[โ€“] gk99@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

If you could link me to whoever said that it'd sure be appreciated, since it looks like you're just making shit up.

[โ€“] skullsquadzero@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

g2a is a legit site. their games are either heavily discounted older titles, or purchasing access to a shared account. I guess it all depends what type of games you're into. Steam is a no brainer for legit games. You could also try eBay for discounted steam keys. There are plenty of deals to be had. I also like fanatical games. they also have deals which are often better priced than Steam. Hope this helps, and happy gaming:)

[โ€“] Avigrace@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

G2a isn't a legit site, they have a market place for key sellers and who knows where those keys come from. I've used it in the past and had a couple of games pulled from my steam account.

Fanatical though is legit.

[โ€“] Vordus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago

Although these days Fantatical is the games retail arm of Fandom, who are the company that enshittified most of the video game wikis on the internet after they bought Wikia. So they're legit, but their parent company sucks.

[โ€“] quinten@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I'm not going to delete this comment as some requested, but everyone should know that G2A is not a legit website. See the top comments, gives a great explanation.

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