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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 89 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Largely, we've not been defending ourselves, but rather, maintaining our interests and investments. Who wants to stand behind that other than the misinformed?

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

People who want to do raping and murdering and be praised for it? Though they could just be cops for that.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

There are still those that believe they're fulfilling some patriotic duty, but that only feeds back into my original statement. The "bad apples" only serve to highlight part of the problem. Culling and replanting the "orchard" is a magnitude of order more difficult.

[–] FiniteBanjo 12 points 5 months ago

I will stand behind US Military maintenance to the degree that NATO remains the top world power, but I will also stand behind any global demilitarization such as the many past treaties to dismantle nuclear weapons. It's okay for nuance to exist.

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[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You can refuse to serve and then they institute the draft. Then you dodge the draft and get elected President.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 months ago

Only if you're parents are wealthy...

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 61 points 5 months ago (7 children)

That's an... incredibly naive view of reality.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, everyone knows you can only prevent war by fighting in wars. War is peace.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Ah yes, the famous quote from fourth century Rome. How did that work out for them? I seem to remember a continuous series of wars leading to the utter collapse of western Rome before the end of that century. It also inspired the name of the Parabellum pistol (AKA Lugar) manufactured in Germany for both worlds wars. The quote doesn't have the best track record.

I prefer si vis pacem para pacem.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Especially for a Holocaust survivor.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Einstein emigrated in 1933, years before the Holocaust.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Technically yes, but he left when Nazi persecution of Jews became official government policy. It was the beginning of the buildup to the Holocaust. He survived the Holocaust in the sense that he was a Jew who lived in the Nazi occupied state and survived.

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[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 58 points 5 months ago (43 children)
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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, Until some Ork shoots you for fun while you pass them on your bike, in an occupied zone that was once your hometown. Sometimes you HAVE to make a stand to stop wars of aggression.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I see no problem here: I refused to serve in the military and did my service in a hospital instead. The Ukraine war did make me reconsider my attitude towards the necessity of a draft army.

Conclusion 1: I would emigrate and work against my country of origin in a heartbeat if they started a war of aggression (hello Russians) - unchanged from before

Conclusion 2: I would support with my medical and other skills those defending a non-aggressive country I live in

Conclusion 3: I might fight, given no other choice. But I would try everything else first, and I would probably not be good at it (fighting) at all.

[–] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There was a conscientious objector from WW2 that became a medic and eventually won the medal of honour.

Soldiers need medics and no one can say they are cowards or anything negative.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw_Ridge

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (39 children)

Imagine if the World stopped fighting at the end of WWII and the U.S. stopped making any other atomic weapons. Imagine a global "Peace Treaty".

Imagine if each country spent their military $$ on water, food, housing, and free medical care for their citizens.

Fuck them all!!

The World could've been an amazing village of humans living together as friends and have the freedom to roam the globe without the need for a passport.

One World!

Fuck every military leader and/or political leader that has screwed over the people of the World.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 32 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Easy to say when you're American, Russian, or Chinese.

Not so easy when you're Palestinian, Ukrainian, or Taiwanese.

[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly not sure how easy it is to actually stay out of the military when there's compelled service in any country. Draft evasion often carries significant risk.

I appreciate the sentiment, but results will vary.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Honestly not sure how easy it is to actually stay out of the military when there’s compelled service in any country.

Don't know about other countries, but in Apartheid-South Africa it was a very difficult thing if you were male, white and not rich. When I was a kid in small-town South Africa there was a conscientious objector living on our street. He was disabled - they had beaten him to such an extent that he was brain-damaged.

For the rich it was pretty easy - just ask Elon.

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[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Send my ass to prison. Fuck going to the military

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If there is a draft for some oil resource war then I'm out of the US.. We have all the tools to replace it I'm not fighting for some mega corp's right to exploit the environment

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[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 5 months ago

Einstein… sounds like a Hamas name, right?

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