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This has nothing to do with US justice system. And everything to do with MAGA.
I hate Trump with a passion but I'll play devil's advocate here.
Not all felonies are equal. And I bet all of you have different feelings about different convictions. For some, bribing a pornstar to keep quiet about an affair just doesn't seem like a big thing, a morally ultra wrong thing, something that would disquality you from running for presidency of a country.
Einstein cheated on his wives and was a huge asshole. That doesn't make his accomplishments as a scientist any less valid. Should we denounce the theory of relativity because he was morally or ethically corrupt?
Let me tell you Trump's story from the eyes of a Trump supporter here: The guy had an affair long time ago and he knew that this getting public would make him look bad despite being a genuine guy with good intentions for his country. So he did what every red blooded American would do, he asked the mistress not to tell anyone. He paid her for that. He had to get that money from somewhere so he had to falsify some books.
I understand how disgusting this is, but for an average Joe this can be very well understandable and morally forgivable. You might disagree (you might also know more details and context than the average Joe) but at the end of the day everyone's moral compass is different. And affair and hush money might just not be that big of a deal in the grant scheme of things. It might not be something that big that it should keep you from voting for a candidate. He didn't murder someone! after all.
And honestly, in some way I agree: Trump did so much bad shit that he should be in prison for, but the hush money thing is just not the Big One I want to see him convicted for.
As others pointed out, convicted felons should be able to run for presidency to avoid political imprisonment of opponents. This is literally what happens in Russia all the time. You want to run for something? Either you filed some paperwork wrong and cannot run as a candidate, or you get thrown into jail because of corruption or extremism or taxes, or you get assassinated. Often one follows the other.
Apart from that, I firmly believe in rehabilitation. Fuck Trump, but I'll be damned if in a couple of years some amazing dude could not be running for president because he was thrown to jail for drugs or stealing popcorn or some other crap when he was 18. Even for major crimes. If you have served your sentence and show remorse you should be able to integrate yourself back into society with somewhat of a clean sheet. We fuck the lives over of ex felons big time and it is such a shame.
Ok firstly, you missed out the part about getting spanked with a magazine which I particularly enjoy.
Secondly, he has shown absolutely no contrition and is extraordinarily likely to commit the same crime in a larger fashion if given the opportunity.
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Whoa that's insane.
Nobody would ever vote for a criminal. Now imagine the president supported a straight up Genocide! Adolf Hitler style! Everyone would jump ship to a third party!
Like, let's say you stole a lot of money from a lot of people vs you went to a place and stole the same amount of money from less people. You get shot for one and you get to run for the other.
3 years of prison for each count? Never gonna happen. That guy is Teflon.
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I've been thinking about your weird claims about IDF bots on social media promoting Biden, and frankly it doesn't make any sense. So let's just grant this idea that there's this large Israeli presence doing what Russia is doing in addition to the widely verified lobbying operations. Why would they encourage people to vote for Biden? Israel's goals are better facilitated by a Trump presidency than a Biden presidency, so why dedicate resources to getting Biden elected that don't make him compliant?
Frankly, it'd make more sense for them to encourage people to vote third party so Biden loses. Incidentally, that's exactly what you're doing. Even if you're not doing it on purpose, you're using the bodies of dead Palestinians to justify a position that hurts them; for all your moral posturing, your actions are supporting genocide more directly than someone who votes for Biden in silence.
Who is the biggest AIPAC lobby recipient again?
Also you don't have to theorize this. Multiple heavy IDF shills (the non subtle kind) actively defend Biden.
biggest AIPAC lobby recipient
Doesn't matter.
As I alluded to in my previous comment, lobbying ensures compliance by creating a sense of dependancy or potentially gratitude; lots of lobbyist donate to people who they don't prefer in an attempt to influence them. It doesn't make sense to support the same kind of clientele with online bot accounts, so you need to show that Israel is likely to prefer Biden over Trump for it to make sense that a hypothetical bot team would even support Biden.
IDF shills
Not relevant.
Just for a second, let's assume you're both honest and correct. It makes sense for people who happen to both be Zionists and prefer Biden to argue in favor of Biden while entirely disregarding the genocide. Merely noticing these people does not show that the Israeli interests prefer Biden, even if we already assume the IDF bots not only exist but are present in large numbers.
Notice how I'm granting a lot that I don't need to while still showing you don't have a good argument for your previous claim.
What you don't factor in is that these people are not trying to turn Democrats into trump supporters.
Israel owns both sides of the two party system a threat for them would be a third party. Your logic is entirely dependent on pretending that Trump would be so much better for israel while in fact it cannot get much better than Biden for israel.
so you need to show that Israel is likely to prefer Biden over Trump for it to make sense that a hypothetical bot team would even support Biden.
You didn't even read what I wrote, did you?
That Biden Zionists are just an "organic movement"?
What do you think political campaign donations signify?
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