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Valve Let Team Fortress 2 Rot And They Should Feel Bad About It - Aftermath (aftermath.site)

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[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 27 points 5 months ago

Compared to other companies, Valve let the community use alternative community servers. Even if Valve does not care about the game anymore (sigh, one of may all time favorites), it's possible to maintain community servers. This is something any other game wish to had, without hacking the system; it's just part of the game. And people can even use modded communities and there exist some really cool stuff (admittedly I never tried them, I would play the game if it didn't have the bot problem).

I mean look at the most played servers list, look at that: https://tf2-servers.com/servers/players/
A complete dedicated community with its own list of servers: https://teamwork.tf/community/customserverlists

But please stop review bombing other games with the cry to fix TF2. Those reviewers should get a review ban for misusing the review system.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

TF2 is almost 20 fucking years old and has been F2P for 13 of those years, why should Valve care to do anything about it? Frankly, the official servers even still being online at all is more than most other games(besides subscription based games like WoW) of that era can say.

Like, what were you guys expecting? For Valve to support the game the rest of your lives?

[–] sag@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

what were you guys expecting? For Valve to support the game the rest of your lives?

Yes :(

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is sad. I put many, many, hours in this game and still get people messaging to buy my backpack.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I stopped playing so long ago that I don't even know what this comment means.

I had an absolute blast with it back in the day though and put many hours in. Really sad to hear that Valve apparently doesn't care enough to fix it.

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The last major update was in 2017, bots started plaguing casual mode around 2018/19, and ever since the game has seen anastonishingly tiny amount of updates outside ofhthe usual summer, Halloween and Christmas updates (which just shove community made content from the Workshop into special gamemodes and crates); apart from the recent 64-bit version and the VScript addition a while back, nothing of interest has happened in the last handful of years. F2P lost their ability to call medic and the bot crisis is completely unsolved.

It's sad. But as another user pointed out, at least we have e community servers (and good ones).

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Any good community server recs?

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah! My current favorite is Uncletopia, which was created by the popular UncleDane TF2 youtuber but is now run by a community of dedicated people (but I think Dane still pays the bills). It has non-vanilla tweaks, such as no random crits, no random bullet spread, voting for maps and team scrambling, etc. The skill ceiling is also a tad higher than regular casual, which I like since it pushes me to improve further. I love the tweaks, the community and have never seen any bots, so it's great!

Skial is another major network that has been around forever and is still rocking like a champ. I don't play as much there, but I always find it a nice place as well :)

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That sounds great. Thanks for the info. I think I'll have to dive back in soon.

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nice! Would love to see you around :)

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm actually trying right now but the game keeps crashing st launch.

Edit: restarting steam may have worked

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

hehe let me know how it goes!

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It was fun! Reminded me why I got so hooked on it in the first place. Quite rusty though, first time launching in a few years and even that time was a return after a long absence.

[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 2 points 5 months ago

Nice to hear! I'm sure you'll get the hang of it again :P
What classes were you best at?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Just my items

[–] t7tis@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

TF2 is no longer making a lot money for valve. Veteran players have all theirs special hats/cosmetics and no new player wants to invest time and money in a game so riddled with cheating bots. They could easily handle the situation. Detecting obvious cheating bots isn't hard but valve doesn't even try. Yes, there are community servers, like Uncle Danes, that are good at handling bots, but it's also a big burden for them to constantly ban/remove cheating bots.

Valve is testing server side AI cheat detection in CS2. Let's hope that they will bring that to TF2 valve servers. Maybe don't VAC ban players being detected (AI is buggy), just remove them when detected and maybe disallow them from joining valve servers for a week.