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like what if the first person to coin the phrase, for the one bee that lays around just producing offspring, lived in a world that had no monarchies? or, were radically opposed to the concept.

also what do you think we would name them today if we just found them?

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 51 points 5 months ago (3 children)

In Old English it's "beomodor", literally "bee mother"

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago

One does not simply walk into beomodor.

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

that's some good shit

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Does that mean Beowulf means bee wolf in old English?

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, or perhaps less literally "bee hunter", it was used as euphemism for a bear. There's some theories that saying the actual word for bear was taboo (some theories say that people believed saying it's name could attract one), so they used euphemisms like that, or "the brown one", bero, which is where the English word "bear" comes from.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Now that just makes me curious as hell about the original work for bear. Maybe something more similar to the Latin β€œursa”?

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mother bee, since it's the only one laying eggs.

[–] BillibusMaximus@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Interesting bee fact -

In a hive that has been queenless for a period of time (long enough that there's no way they can raise a replacement queen), one or more workers may develop the ability to lay unfertilized eggs.

Due to how honeybee genetics work, those unfertilized eggs can hatch into drones (males), which may then have the opportunity to mate with queens from nearby colonies.

I guess this is sort of a last ditch effort to propagate the hive's genetic material before it fizzles out and dies. Which I think is fascinating.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago

Boss Bee-atch

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

They are called mother bee in Estonian.

[–] madmaurice@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago
[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] otacon239@feddit.de 11 points 5 months ago

πŸ…±οΈnis

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 months ago

I'd name it "Root bee".

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago
[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago
[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I vote for Beeznatch

[–] LOLjoeWTF@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Bee Producer Bee

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

"Matron" it's a term you can use and is the head lady of a family, usually implying wisdom and a lot of influence.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this is something other languages must have answers for, but I'm not finding any articles or discussions about it. Like in German it's "BienenkΓΆnigin", which is literally the words for bee and queen, but surely that's not the case for every language. The only other thing I can think of is just checking random languages one by one and that's not something I want to do on mobile.

Anyway I'd call them julia beesars

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I tried googling "queen bee in Arabic" but I can't tell if it's giving me the Arabic term for queen bee or if it's just translating the words lol

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 5 points 5 months ago

I find a good way to find the common name for something in another language is to go to its wikipedia page and see what the equivalent page in the other language is called. So in Arabic it's "Ω…Ω„ΩƒΨ© Ψ§Ω„Ω†Ψ­Ω„". The Ω…Ω„ΩƒΨ© part does indeed mean queen

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago
[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Whatever the equivalent word would be. Leader, chief, boss, it doesn't really matter.

As long as the concept of a single leader existed, it would have been applied to something like bees. Wouldn't need monarchies to recognize a central focus of an insect group, and pick the closest word for that.

You could maybe argue that there might be some alien species that had no concept of ever needing a decision maker, and they would have to coin a new word for the main reproductive entity of a hive. Something like mother might be used, if the aliens had that concept at all. Perhaps "generator" would be a close enough equivalent that the imaginary aliens would be almost certain to have a similar enough concept.

But humans had a concept of needing someone to make decisions about things way back. So I don't think it's a realistic enough idea to say that in the absence of monarchy that we wouldn't have some kind of term for a person in charge.

[–] DenizEfe@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

Breeder bee

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

HBIC (Head Bee In Charge)

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

now I'm sitting here thinking about it, from one perspective, you could consider that particular bee to be a slave to the rest of the bees

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bees don’t have a social hierarchy the way humans do. They aren’t queens or slaves, they are just different roles in the colony that contribute to survival and reproduction in different ways.

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

that's why it's all about the human perspective. the first person to give it a name lived in a world of kings and queens, but if they'd lived in a world with no kings and queens but the world that had slaves, they might have called it the slave bee. there are infinite iterations, hence my question

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago
[–] BugleFingers@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Prime, Alpha, Leader, Lead, Breeder, Spawner, Source, Central, Keystone.

Those prefixes used upon the suffix of: Bee. All seem like potential options