this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2023
24 points (100.0% liked)

Nature and Gardening

6651 readers
2 users here now

All things green, outdoors, and nature-y. Whether it's animals in their natural habitat, hiking trails and mountains, or planting a little garden for yourself (and everything in between), you can talk about it here.

See also our Environment community, which is focused on weather, climate, climate change, and stuff like that.

(It's not mandatory, but we also encourage providing a description of your image(s) for accessibility purposes! See here for a more detailed explanation and advice on how best to do this.)

This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
alyaza@beehaw.org
NataliePortland@beehaw.org
LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org
remington@beehaw.org
24
Home composting question: high quantities of egg shells per week (beehaw.org)
submitted 1 year ago by NiklzNDimz@beehaw.org to c/greenspace@beehaw.org
18 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

We have a household of two and I just started a 43 gallon capacity rotating composting bin. Our weekly egg consumption is high and there's an additional load of volunteering (baking) where I have to dispose of 2-3 dozen egg shells at a time.

What's the maximum number of shells I can expect to toss in the compost each week? Any ideas on how to dispose of the rest without going right to the trash? We only have recycling and yard debris pickup, no city compost options. Thanks in advance!

top 18 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I suspect it's going to take a lot more egg shells than that to have too many, but maybe someone else knows for a fact. Just make sure you throw them in a hot oven before you compost them. You want to hold them to at least 160F to kill salmonella. Some places recommend 250F for an hour. I generally have them around 350F for 30-40 minutes.

This accomplishes a few things:

  1. It kills the salmonella
  2. It makes them easier to break into small pieces
  3. It allows them to break down and extract the minerals far more easily in the compost

With how many you're going to be composting, you may want to find a method to really grind them finely, towards a powder. I'd imagine that will allow you to compost more, without reaching some possible negative points like too much aeration to the soil. Though you might lose some benefits, like the pest deterrence, or maybe not since some people just sprinkle egg shell powder on top of the soil and leaves. If you're going to limit how many you compost, you might reserve some powdered egg shells for this purpose.

If you're worried about attracting animals to your compost, rinse the shells before baking.

[–] garden_boi@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Almost nothing in your household consumes as much energy as an oven. Ovens consume from around 1000 (when already heated up) to 5000 Watts leading to ginormous amounts of carbon emissions on your average electricity mix. From an environmental perspective it's completely crazy to bake your trash for 30 to 40 minutes (it's like running your electric kettle at full power for 30 minutes straight). I'd rather not compost eggshells at all rather than baking them.

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I have my oven on at least a few times a week to bake, often every day. And much of the year, it simply means my furnace will run less. OP is baking semi-commercially, they'll have plenty of preheating time to borrow.

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the best ways we're aware of to make the calcium plant available is to treat them with vinegar. We'll dry ours on a sheet pan in the oven on a low temp, crush them, and then steep them in apple cider vinegar for up to a few days. The remaining bits of shell can be strained out and added to your bin, and will break down much more quickly than they would otherwise. The acv solution can be diluted 10-20x with water and applied at the base of your plants or as a foliar spray.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t spray vinegar, even diluted, on a plant I want to keep. Even though some of it will be converted in reactions with the eggshells, enough will survive to acidify the soil and to burn plants.

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That hasn't been our experience but the apprehension is understandable. It's certainly not advised if it's the only watering that's being done, but if the soil organic matter is present and there is supplemental water the rhizosphere is likely to face few, if any, ill effects. The final solution one achieves is essentially calcium acetate and water.

Conversationally: sometimes there can be confusion around vinegars and relative pH; while ACV has the highest pH at 5% it's really the closest to neutral ranges and the bit of buffering by CaCo3 brings it closer to 5 before the dilution. Even a 1:1 solution of water and table vinegar (with averages between 2.5 and 2.7) isn't acidic enough to cause lasting damage to plants, though it can cause leaf damage. Generally speaking it's commercial vinegar with a low of 2.2 that can cause lasting damage to a given plant when applied directly to the root zone, but in many cases that same location can be replanted within a short period due to the breakdown of the solution when acted upon by soil life. As a comparison, consider that some studies show the rain during thunderstorms to have a pH of 3.63 as compared to the non-thunderstorm average of 4.05.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago

All fair points. Honestly, acid rain is the comparison in my mind. I've also used 1:1 vinegar:water as an herbicide somewhat successfully.

Of course, one can also use vinegar to acidify soil, say for changing the color of hydrangeas. Maybe I'm just too cautious.

[–] MrsEaves@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a thought, but for your volunteer baking, could you reduce the number of eggshells overall by partially or fully substituting the eggs with flax eggs, egg replacer, or fruit mash such as applesauce or banana? That way, you only have your home eggshells to worry about. I do a lot of vegan baking, so if this is a path you’re curious about I’m more than happy to help if you give me an idea of what you’re making :D

[–] NiklzNDimz@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a great idea! I'd considered getting cartoned eggs but exploring no egg options might be better all around. Thanks!

[–] TheCalzoneMan@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Try garbanzo bean water, or aquafaba, using unsalted canned garbanzo beans. The protein chains in the water function very similarly to egg whites.

[–] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some of these solutions sound more energy intensive than just throwing the eggshells in the garbage. Can salmonella really survive the composting process enough to contaminate food that would be grown in the compost?

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kind of. Salmonella in particular is highly resistant so it could potentially survive an incomplete composting cycle, E.Coli and Listeria die off relatively easily, but overall a couple months of higher temperatures should kill them all. There is also the risk of airborne pathogens like Legionella, Pseudomonas, and some others infecting the compost, which you may need to protect against until it's fully done.

Biggest risk is not letting it complete the full cycle, and any airborne pathogens it could release in the meantime.

[–] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is also the risk of airborne pathogens like Legionella, Pseudomonas, and some others infecting the compost...

And those pathogens can infect the food grown in soil that's been augmented with incomplete compost? I was under the impression that the pathogens would be on the surface of the fruits and vegetables and just needed to be washed off. This makes me not trust my neighbor's compost pile.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vegetables generally can't get infected by pathogens that infect animals or humans, so that's right, washing them off, or better yet cooking them, should be enough.

The airborne pathogens however... well, they're airborne, so a poorly managed compost pile can spread them directly through the air, that you can breathe. Keeping compost piles in residential areas should probably be regulated.

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would rather try to eradicate it before the composting, so I don't risk someone eating a tomato fresh from the sun, or something not getting washed sufficiently before it goes in a salad. But baking the egg shells not only kills salmonella and other bacterium, but it also makes the calcium and other nutrients more readily break down into the compost.

It's really not a hassle, for me. I make a lot of frittatas, and also bake bread. So I'll either throw the frittata egg shells on some foil as I preheat the oven and cook the frittata on a higher rack, or reserve a few days worth.

At some point I'll have my own chickens, and I plan to vaccinate them. But I'll still bake the egg shells, so that the minerals are more available in the compost.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you have chickens, you don't need to compost the shells, just crush them into the chicken feed and they'll use the calcium to produce more eggs. Sort of natural recycling. It also prevents them from pecking at eggs and breaking them if they lack calcium.

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Good to know, thanks!

[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Some cities have composting options. You might check what your community has. We compost our own stuff but I think I remember my wife saying there was a community option too.