Unless the police want it. Then it's available.
Do you have proof of this? Apple generally does not comply with requests for data unless legally mandated (which not all companies hold firm to, some just hand it over on request (Ring security... Any bells? 😂)). Additionally, they've made significant strides to enable E2E encryption across icloud and their devices, making the data inaccessible by anyone but the device owner.
If the police or government wants your phone records, including text messages, all they have to do is ask. Every phone carrier and company will provide everything when requested.
Source? Worked for a major carrier. More source? How do you think there's always message records during trials.
Believing Apple won't give away your entire history is as smart as using an Anon phone for drugs.
Please provide sources for occurances of this when E2E icloud encryption has been enabled and iMessage has been used. Additionally, I think you're a bit deluded here by your experience. A carrier cannot possibly provide iMessage data, as they simply do not have it. iMessage is encrypted and uses standard tcp/ip protocols for communication. It is not an sms or RCS based service relying on unencrypted relay servers. I currently work for a law firm as a systems engineer so I'm intimately familiar with the legal data request processes. Things potentially worked like that 10-15 years ago, but your understanding is far out of date and out of touch.
Okay dokey 👍
You're genuinely deluded with a lack of understanding. If you cannot provide sources for your dogma, please stop spilling it.
You have got to be joking.
Where are your sources, magic law firm man?
I’m not magic, do not confuse those with greater understanding than you with mystical abilities.
Im not sure what “sources” you want, that's simply how the system works. If your carrier had access to encrypted data over tcp/ip with tls you might as well give up any hope for privacy, but by open source community backed design that is not allowed. Encrypted connections are encrypted. So i guess heres some sources on iMessage, the new PQ3 cryptographic protocol they’re layering ontop of the current encryption protocol, some academic white papers describing its implementation, a link to how tls encryption works, a link to a well known public event where Apple refused to backdoor their encryption leading them to legal battles from the government even up to current day, and a link to a amicis brief dating back to 2015 (no connection to my firm) where they're unable to retrieve encrypted data from an iPhone even back then... Feel free to enlighten yourself; although I do get the feeling that aside from sitting down beside you, going over every single line of source code and design implmentation, and explaining how it all works to you that you’d change your mind. Luckily security researchers exist and im sure if you check your local scollarly database (or, le gasp, google scholar should you /trust/ it) you’ll find this information.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage
https://security.apple.com/assets/files/Security_analysis_of_the_iMessage_PQ3_protocol_Stebila.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_dispute
Re: 1.
That's good, I laughed.
Re: everything else.
I appreciate the tech details, but it doesn't mean anything when prosecutors submit messages in trials. The government will get your messages when they want them.
Messages can be submitted to trials in a lot of cases, but that's because the underlying technology used was not configured correctly or did not offer encryption. Up until just a few years ago for example, you'd have to turn off iCloud sync to avoid your iMessage data being legally provided to the courts (since it was not E2E encrypted in your icloud backup, even though the messages themselves were sent E2E encrypted), but now with end to end encryption Apple literally does not have the keys to your data by design when you enable it and the government to the best that top researchers, investigators, and journalists can tell also lacks that capability. I don't understand why you're failing to see the nuance here. If you don't leverage proper precautions, your data is certainly exposed, but that is simply not because of some conspiracy. It's a consequence of old, poor design. Things have changed.
Don't argue with morons. Just block and move on.
A wikipedia page detailing the dispute between apple who refused to help the fbi to acces personal messages is a tech detail that doesnt mean annything in context of firms handing over data to government?
Okay dokey 👍
Your just arguing in bad faith because you lost the argument hard.
About your clearly moved goalpost. Yes if the US government wants your messages they will get them. No matter how protected, local and offline your data stored. They have the legal ability to put cameras in your bedroom. That has nothing to do with apple.
Cool but I have no use for this AI. I can form a sentence on my own and think for myself. Let me turn it off, uninstall it, and never be intruded upon by it.
iCloud...thats Apple right?
You only read the Lemmy headline so I won't blame you. But the actual article headline is "Apple AI." So they're referring to the data you provide to this AI for it to work. According to them, they won't store this data.
iCloud is a totally different product.
Edit: Exactly why are you downvoting me?
I’m glad they made almost all of the processing local. Not just for privacy, but also speed and usability in bad connection situations.
And then you download one app
Now that is a lie
Why?
Apple has been claiming perfect privacy over and over, and getting caught lying over and over. Now they've got the most leak sensitive thing they've ever built. I'm sure they're honest this time around
Shit. So Apple is like any other megacorp. Sucks. Not surprising, though.
Corps gonna corp, but I’ve tested this with all the systems and network analysis tools at my disposal, and the on-device and e2e guarantees appear to hold, for now.
But people are right to be suspicious, because it’s rare. The engineering challenges of mobile inference compared to data center hardware, the expense of developing models without free data from users, and the lack of future data brokerage side-hustle options are why it’s rare. So anyone who can should audit these claims periodically, particularly with respect to data collection.
I'm not sure we'll ever know why they lied. Probably for sales.
Sales, but it's also cheaper not to develop something as long as no one finds out. Like how they were caught not encrypting or safeguarding iCloud data in 2018
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