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I'm actually surprised that it's that high too
Use this as a chance to leave your echo chamber. Illegal immigration is deeply unpopular, just like banning abortion, or firearm regulation.
That is one area I diverge with the party. Abortion should be legal. Based on the voting, most republicans agree it should be legal. Based on polls, they don’t.
@wintermute_oregon @ryathal Banning abortion beyond the first trimester is popular IIRC
I view body autonomy as a right. Nothing is more sacred than choosing what’s best for you
@wintermute_oregon So you're an anarchist?
Not at all but one of the most basic rights to control of your own body.
@wintermute_oregon My problem is when you use your own body to harm another body, like a 6 year old child, or a fetus
And there lies the actual problem. Is a fetus a person or not?
@Blamemeta Yes. A person is a living human being. Fetuses count.
Can they survive outside the womb? If the answer is no, they’re parasites, not human beings.
Sounds heartless but when it comes to the wellbeing of the mother or a parasitic clump that does not yet think or feel, the priority of care should be on the mother. Especially when her life is in danger or she cannot guarantee a good life for the child.
You may disagree, I don’t care.
Six year old children are never aborted. A fetus is just a lump of cells. Either people have body autonomy or they don’t.
@wintermute_oregon We're all a lump of cells. Doesn't mean that you or I should be killed.
A fetus isn’t a person. Equating the time is ignoring a fetus can’t survive outside the womb.
I don’t want anyone telling me what I can and can’t do with my body. As such I respect the rights of others to do as they please.
@wintermute_oregon I think we both support human rights, where we differ is when it comes to what is and isn't a human being
*Civil War flashbacks lol*
There's no good argument for why a fetus isn't a person that doesn't fall into either ableism or ageism, which can potentially justify killing people who have already been born. There's a reason you didn't really try to make one here.
Only mental gymnastics can justify abortion.
I'm not in an echo chamber, but I'm a right winger who listens to a lot of right wing media and presumed that anti-illegal immigration is a predominantly right wing view. I had no idea that had shifted at all, I should listen to more left wing media though.
As a not-conservative, I’m ok with deporting those entering outside of proper channels.
Having said that, I have seen for myself how difficult it can be to get through the legal system when you flee your country for your own safety or protection, as well as how overloaded the system is with these cases.
It should be easier for those looking to escape their country in search of a better life and to contribute to the workforce to get here, or at least easier for them to get their day in court to defend themselves before being deported.
We could do to improve this part of our system, and I fault nobody circumventing it out of desperation. It would be nice to have a little more compassion built-in so these people aren’t just immediately labeled as illegals and sent back. They’ll just keep coming.
Immigration is more complex than people make it out to be. I don't think deportations make sense when our border is so porous, the people we deport could just return.
But the biggest problems with illegal immigrants are cartel affiliants and potential terrorism ties. I'd be okay with letting illegal immigrants stay so long as they are participating in a formal process to become citizens, and are not being violent or committing crimes.
It’s even simpler than that. Zero government assistance and actually crack down on employers who hire them. I mean seriously, $500K per illegal hire, then actually prosecute them for doing it. Self deportation is a thing. And fix citizenship rules to end citizenship based on location. At least one parent must be a citizen or at least a permanent resident. No anchor babies.
Once you remove the main incentives to come here for strictly economic reasons, you can focus on folks like cartels and dangerous people because you won’t be overwhelmed by the rest.
The problem is thar doing these things steps on too many political toes on both sides.
If we're not going to do any amnesty, this does make sense.
Of course. This is a serious adult approach to it. Not what we’re doing now.
Sadly there will be an amnesty at some point. I can see the Dems cutting a desk with Trump for a few billion dollars in wall funding in exchange for a ”one time” mass amnesty. I don’t trust that his ego wouldn’t take that deal.
I would rather see amnesty than ICE going home by home breaking down doors and dragging away peaceful illegals, especially if they were brought to the country as children.
But it's all a bandaid on a chainsaw laceration if we're not sealing up the border.
The only place ICE will need to invade is job sites employing illegals. Take away their ability to obtain money and they won’t want to be here anymore.
Nah. I mean, what if they deal drugs and make money that way?
By ridding or at least drastically reducing the illegals who aren’t committing other crimes, you free up resources to go after the ones that are. I’m far less concerned about their doors being kicked down.
My only objection to this would be children of immigrants who entered illegally where the child has grown and is a productive member of society.
Just as you didn’t have a say in where you were born or grew up, neither did they so it doesn’t make to give them a punishment for a crime they did not commit.
If they grew up as Americans, they should be treated as Americans and given citizenship status regardless of their parent’s status.
Just one example of the compassion we should have in the process.
They can leave and go through the normal process to come back.
But I’m an admitted hard ass. The big problem is you can’t prove their story. You’ll get flooded with applicants just like we’re getting flooded with “asylum seekers” now.
I dunno, we’ve had social media for a few decades now and mass surveillance for much longer. If they’re lying it wouldn’t be hard to prove.
What you’re advocating for is a formality that our current justice system is way too overloaded to handle. Until we staff more judges specifically for immigration that will not be feasible and will only cause undue hardship.
I get your thinking but with our current system where many have to wait a year or longer just for their day in court, no.
Hi Mr Kaboom
Are ppl really that delusional ?
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