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[–] 30p87@feddit.de 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe a F-35 would win. It has, in stark contrast to the AirTag, Raytheon AIM-120C AMRAAM missiles. It also isn't as overpriced as Apple.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tiles are the same thing but like half the price. I use the hell out of them

[–] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can see the point for Airtags which work with most modern iPhones, or a hypothetical Google equivalent which could work with all Google Services-enabled Android devices. Is there enough Tile users around for it to make sense?

edit: also it seems Tiles now cost exactly the same as Airtags

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[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Where I live there is almost no tile users.

Tile is the same concept as Airtag with the exception that you probably won't recover what you have lost because it's incredibly unlikely it will be pinged by a tile user.

I say that owning multiple tiles. I'm just saying these locators things are only as useful as their network. And the tile Network is mostly very weak.

What sucks is that Apple and Samsung are both restricting the use of their network. Nothing is interoperable as usual. And so the consumer is the one literally losing.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really? I've had good luck with the network, and I live in a small city. Lost a set of keys at a truck stop in rural NM and they pinged correctly

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[–] Rinox@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think Apple opened its network to tiles and similar, but you need to buy a specific one made for the Apple network (which costs more, probably because of apple tax)

Iirc Google will be doing the same with its new network

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

What's Tile's privacy policy as opposed to Apple? Genuinely curious as I'm looking to get a privacy respecting tracker.

[–] Whisper06@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Tiles have more functionality but their app sucks.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Woah careful with that info, War Thunder is salivating.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't black boxes have beacons of some kind?

I'd also imagine an airtag is useless in this scenario as if it crashed and no one knows about it, it's likely not near someone's Bluetooth enabled phone either.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Uhhh...

F35 is a stealth aircraft. Beacons are literally against the point of the damn thing.

People are asking 'How could you lose your invisible car? Why didn't you just put a tracking device on it?'

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd imagine it's something that can be turned on and off, just like it's stealth technology.

Edit: to further expand on this, finding the downed plane is a lot more important than it sounds. This could technically be classified as spillage considering there is classified tech in an F35. Foreign agents would benefit if they found it first. I'm pretty sure there are recon teams trained to recover downed aircraft in military zones. Considering they still are equipped with radio for communication, I'd imagine even just an encrypted message at time of impact could be useful.

Losing a plane over friendly zones shouldn't have to worry about having a beacon that's always on. I fail to understand why it would be silly to believe one could be useful in a jet fighter, stealth or not. I'd imagine it's likely even present but just defunct for whatever reason in this scenario and details can't be revealed about that, as again, it still contains classified technology.

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

F35s have transponders, just like every other aircraft that flies in the US. They are necessary to avoid mid-air collisions. When flying a stealth mission in enemy airspace, they can turn the transponders off.

Unfortunately, the transponder on this particular F35 is not working.

[–] numanair@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also turn them off for a number of other reasons.

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but the point is they have transponders. And pilots generally use them (because it's safer) unless they have a good reason not to.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

So once its on the air the jet has zero comms? That doesn't seem right

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[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

They still have them but because of course they do. They can be turned off easily enough. I'm not sure what sorts of modes they have when ejecting. I could prolly find an AF tech and ask.

[–] dept@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i feel like a beacon on a military jet would be counterproductive if the jet were to fall on enemy land

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do they not put beacons on their seats either? How did they find the pilot? I'd imagine if it were an issue, it could be deactivated in wartime or over enemy lines.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They can turn them on/off depending on their needs. I'd imagine you train exactly how you'd fly.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Even on home turf it's not great if the enemy/terrorists can find out where your equipment is. Pearl Harbor was on US soil.

Obviously it would be nice in this specific scenario, but how often would that really be useful in comparison to the potential security issues that comes along with it?

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

Yes it has a transponder, but the transponder is not working.

[–] IHateReddit@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

the airtag won't do anything if there are no iphones around

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Telling people to be on the lookout for an F35 won’t do anything if there’s no people around.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re right, I shoulda sent my satellite to the area to search for it.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Mr. US Government, I presume?

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you tell that to my Android phone that nagged me for 4 days straight about the AirTag hidden in the rental van I used for a trip through France? Was fun trying to drain the battery by making it bleep throughout the trip though.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 4 points 1 year ago

Depending on the application you used to alert you of the AirTag, it's possible that your phone did not send location data back to Apple.

Apple can track AirTags, because iPhones are programmed to listen for them over Bluetooth Low Energy, and send the ID of the AirTag and location data of the device to Apple.

If your Android phone has an application to listen for BLE devices in the background, keeping track (locally) of which devices it saw in what locations, that application can tell you if you're travelling with an AirTag (or similar device). It might even be able to interact with the AirTag, such as making it beep or reading its ID. If that application doesn't send your location to Apple, the AirTag was not able to use your phone to make its location known to the owner.

Therefore, to the owner, AirTags are useless unless an iPhone (or other device that sends its location to Apple) is around.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The dollar sign goes on the left.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a German meme. They use Megadollars because of the metric system.

[–] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

They actually just call it a royale without gps

[–] ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Putting the dollar sign in the left or right, decidollers or megadollers... Decisions, decisions...

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Well isn’t that just the state of politics today.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

right side dollar side gang $$$

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[–] dauerstaender@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The guardian doesn't have a paywall

[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe not, but it still shows this: A screenshot of the Guardian's website with a pop up asking for an optional donation, with the monthly option selected by default.

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not a paywall. A paywall is basically a mechanism that locks content if you don't pay.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I should have called it a pay hedge.

[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My main complaint is that the message is so big, and that it covers so much of the screen.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I dislike sites suggesting a monthly donation my default.

[–] BB69@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] TheHottub@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's currently doing some Flight of The Navigator stuff with some kid in Noth Carolina.

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

An airtag won't work if its under enough water.

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