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submitted 9 months ago by lntl@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Suppose there are two employees: Alice and Bob, who do the same job at the same factory. Alice has a 10 minute (20RT) commute, Bob commutes 35 minutes(70RT).

If you're the owner of the factory, would you compensate them for their commutes? How would you do it?

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[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 points 9 months ago

Fuel card, or static rate for travel costs that actually covers the cost

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

What if Bob rides a bicycle? Should he be compensated at a lower rate because his actual costs are less?

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[-] judgeholden@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

If you're the owner of the factory, would you compensate them for their commutes? How would you do it?

absolutely, people's workdays should start when they begin their commute. I don't know off the top of my head, but some companies and government jobs already comp people for their travel expenses, just extend that to commutes.

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[-] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago

I would turn the company over to the workers so they can decode. Also prevents my death when a revolution inevitability occurs.

[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago
[-] D61@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago

Half assed ideas.

Option 1) % of hourly pay rate, capped at an two hours for a total round trip (but flexible) + a stipend depending on mode of transportation. Could try to get receipts from workers and have a purser issue cash/credit on their next paycheck or issue re loadable debit cards that get filled at regular intervals. (So a card for paid public transit and fuel for combustion vehicles) If we're working in a place that taxes employee wages, the more taxes the employer can carry the better on the workers.

Option 2) Everybody gets a debit card and a list of approved places/items to be purchased for the purposes of "commuting to work compensation". Workers could be expected to keep as many receipts as possible to turn in weekly just to verify stuff.

Option 3) Some subcommittee tracks worker commute times and how they commute and every quarter or something a stipend is paid in a lump sum like a bonus or it is used to give a paycheck by paycheck payout.

Easiest idea would be like JohanSkullcrusher said, full hourly pay rate the second I get into my car to start driving. Though workers would wind up paying more in income taxes and there'd probably be some issues with workers getting different compensation, like somebody walking 10 minutes to work and somebody driving 1 hour to get to work are going to have significantly different income levels at the end of the year.

[-] VulturE@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Let's make generalizations to answer the bigger problem here.

Most jobs that people are talking about are in cities.

Some people choose to not live right in the middle of a city for various reasons, but still want that job. They may live in a nearby community, the edge of the city, a county or two over, etc.

Predatory companies like Amazon resolve this by telling someone like Ryan homes to build a few 300 house communities right next to their new warehouse, resolving the issue and making their own non-city town. Normal companies do not have this ability.

There has to be a balance.

Businesses need to not be involved in commute repayment. They should instead invest into their local communities to make them more desirable to live in.

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

"choose" is doing a lot of work there. Have you priced housing lately? The real "choice" I see is that companies "choose" their location such that their employees can't afford to live nearby on the wages they're earning, or the companies "choose" to pay employees to little in wages to afford to live nearby.

[-] grepe@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

You could also say the employees choose to work for the company that's not paying them enough. Of course they have constraints in how many jobs there are and how many other job seekers exist and which jobs they are qualified for... but then the problem complexity explodes to "how do we build a fair society" very quickly.

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Government has power to put it on trial.

  1. Revitalize public transportation, adjust timetables to usual starts\ends of shifts;
  2. Make dumb paycards to pay-per-ride, consequential rides counting as one (if one needs to jump them);
  3. Public sector employees, essential ones first, get 2 rides per working day monthly, to go there and back;
  4. After getting some stats, make it equal to N litres of gasoline in $, tax-free, promote paying with it on gas stations and for government's services. No easy conversion to cash tho, not at the start at least, so it won't be seen as free money, worthy a fraud.

As a public test, it'd show if it works. Then, it can be pushed onto students, then on other spheres.

Then, as a large amount of workers has this benefit, it's not a wet dream but a real thing to consider and demand. One that private businesses would see.

I do find that not paying for commute has a good competitive value. It means I start to earn money right from the time I clock in, not spending my first minutes to compensate getting there – and that's a bitch for low-paid workers. Compared to those working from home, I still wake up earlier and am trapped on company's ground, but it's a first step to bridge and accept this difference.

In some cities I visited (ex-socblock) some big factories provide their own transport to take workers from their district and then bring them back. Since they are based way out of cities' limits due to health concerns, it's an obvious solution to that. By managing the commute of workers, factory may also be sure everyone in production line gets there at the same time, reaching full efficiency.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago
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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

If I were to do it, I'd take the mileage of the drive as the most important factor, as companies in the US know the addresses of employees. Then I'd assume a gas price of $4.5/gallon at all times (Midwest prices aren't like the coasts) and assume a gas mileage of 25mpg. The person is paid this every day of the year without exception

[-] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 2 points 9 months ago

I'll offer Bob a place near the workplace if he's a good employee. If he asks me to pay for his transportation expenses, it won't happen. I think I'd formally invite him to find another job at the end of the contract.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago

If I am travelling to a location purely to do my job at that location, then travelling to that location is part of my job. I must be reasonably compensated for it either as part of my salary or as an extra (tax adjusted) payment.

Switch the pronouns and such to apply for Bob and Alice both.

[-] ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

No, the one with the longer commute should be taxed extra to account for all the damage caused to the environment, increased traffic, road wear and tear, etc.

Commuting should never be encouraged. Live where you work.

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