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I just can’t find a decent email client that looks like it’s from the last 20 years. Geary and Evolution both appear to be pretty modern but something about using Gmail with a Yubikey just doesn’t work and neither of them will connect to my account. Both on Fedora and OpenSUSE. Thunderbird works but it’s so old fashioned and Betterbird doesn’t look much better. What’s everyone else using?

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Betterbird, a Thunderbird fork and I installed it from AUR repo but it has a flatpak version too

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird on Fedora Kinoite and GrapheneOS ;) even though the Android version is still named K-9, based on Android Mail and waaaay smaller.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Protonmail web client and Android app tbh

For work it's obviously outlook

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[–] schwim@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago
[–] redxef@feddit.de 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Evolution, Thunderbird and KMail, depending on the system. Though I've had only trouble with Thunderbird and gpg signing with a yubikey. The others just work.

On Android I'm using FairMail.

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[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Betterbird (Thunderbird fork) for pc, K-9 for phone.

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Trying to get the hang of meli on my laptop & K-9 on (unGoogled) Android

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird and K-9 (which will soon be Thunderbird mobile). I'm not a Thunderbird Stan or anything, but I was running into issues with Claws, Seamonkey, and Fairmail

[–] oKtosiTe@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If anyone knows a client that can snooze mail on Proton and Gmail, I’d love to know about it. Until then I’m stuck using the web interfaces and their official phone apps.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm using Thunderbird.

On my work computers, I don't want the email to be stored locally since they back up the entire system to the cloud for retention and compliance purposes, so I'm using Roundcube (webmail app) hosted on the email server itself. I self-host my email server.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Mailspring, best client I've used in a while.

[–] k4j8@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Agreed on Mailspring, especially if OP wants a modern interface (although I think the new Thunderbird looks fine).

The only thing missing from Mailspring for me is seeing what folders my emails are in when I run a search. Otherwise, it's the only non-CLI client I've found that let's me use the keyboard to select multiple emails and move them to a folder, something I do in Gmail. If anyone knows of others, let me know! I've tried Claws, Evolution, Geary, KMail, and Thunderbird in addition to Mutt and aerc in hopes of finding something to replace Gmail...

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[–] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I was using Thunderbird, but I have had a number of issues with it. Crashing seems to happen whether I use the Flatpak or install from AUR.

I have switched back to using web clients for my mail for the time being.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I have never had thunderbird crash. Not questioning what you say but perhaps its sonsthing else? Did u try deleting thubderbird data and starting fresh ?

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[–] lcb@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am using debias as os , and never had a problem with thunderbird, did you used recently? I am not against web, but i manage 5 emails so no way the web is a option for me. Also i start to use the rss from thunder and is cool.

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[–] barcaxavi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'm using it on Windows at work and I was also surprised how often it just gets stuck. Deleting the database did help for some time, but then it came back every time I'm sending an email.

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[–] captainnapalm83@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I guess the question is, why do you need a client? I find most web interfaces to be sufficient, you can enable browser notifications, create an "app" so that it's in a stand-alone window, etc.

As another comment said, I just use the Proton web interface.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess the question is, why do you need a client? I find most web interfaces to be sufficient

Clients like Thunderbird download the mails for a local copy. That means, you can a) read and search your mails offline, b) backup all mails. That's not all. Such a client also: c) allows a unified interface to all different mail accounts from different providers in one view, d) better integration into your system, such as tray icons for notifications.

Everyone does their thing, so not saying you are doing it wrong, just giving you reasons to use an offline mail client; as you asked why.

[–] captainnapalm83@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Those are all totally fair considerations, just not requirements in my workflow. I'm coming at it from a personal use case, where I don't need offline access to my personal email, and I only have one email account to check (my Gmail is forwarded to my Proton mail).

My question was more to lead OP down the requirements gathering path, to evaluate their actual needs and if a client is actually required or if it's more of a "nice to have".

Thanks for laying out some of those advantages to a client though. Every user has their own needs and if offline access, multiple accounts, consistent UI, etc. are desired, then a client is certainly a great option.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think this is a fair question. I haven't seen anyone mention the benefits of using a non-web mail client (OP mentioned Yubikey but 2FA isn't uncommon with web mail). I would actually consider using one if it gave me clean up options (e.g. haven't opened an email in 3 days and the sender is not in my address book move to Junk/Spam). Main reason I rarely look at email is that it's 90% stuff I have no desire to read and marking things as spam is a never ending cycle.

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[–] cow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

aerc with mbsync and msmtp and neovim for composing

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[–] sylphio@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

mu4e+mbsync+msmtp

[–] techarmy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I’m using Evolution on Arch and Debian and works just fine for me.

[–] ProtonBadger@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

I'm lazy - just gmail pinned in a tab on my browser on my Linux desktop, the browser is always open anyway. Default mail client on iOS/iPadOS.

I've used Thunderbird in the past. The redesign was nice but it's still a bit cludgy to use somehow, compared to gmail web.

[–] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

I use super boring Claws Mail for my personal email. I handle my contacts with Khard and calendars with Khal.

I don't use a Yubikey though.

[–] mrtomich@tldr.ar 3 points 4 months ago

Don't know if this has been said but you are not supposed to use the yubikey on your mail client. Google recommends you use an application password for email clients. As someone who has 5 yubikeys for different services I know this sounds unsafe but is the only way I've been able to use some of the mail programs with Google. The other option would be to enable another 2fa (maybe auth codes with Yubico Authenticator) and use that on the mail programs.

For Google I ended up using web client and fido2 (and another yubikey as backup and another as auth code generator) and my work requires Outlook but they also ask me to change passwords each month and input them on different platforms that don't support f2 and that breaks a few things for me so I opted for Yubico Auth and use my yubikey instead of Microsoft Authenticator or Google Authenticator.

[–] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Tuta Mail for personal

Thunderbird/K-9 (mobile) for my work's gmail since the gmail website is garbage

[–] Goldmaster@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thunderbird is very nice and lightweight compared with outlook. Picks up email settings more quicker and is much simpler to use than outlook. Recommended to all my clients.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Proton web and mobile client. Also thunderbird

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