Where did the agents come from? Enemy weapons, or friendly exposure? I remember Iraq having chemical weapons being a big point of worry back then, but I was too young to remember the details.
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Friendly exposure. They're talking about agent orange and other such chemicals. Stuff we throw down while claiming it's perfectly safe. This has been believed for a long time but it's been hard to get concrete proof.
Why would we have agent orange in a country without grass, let alone heavy forestation?
"agent orange and other such chemicals"
Please read the whole sentence next time. I'm referring to any number of chemicals we use in warfare. Agent Orange, White Phosphorus, etc. Turns out it's not "chemical warfare" if you "use it for flares" or to "clear a forest". Funny thing is, the body doesn't care why you used it. Agent Orange is traditionally the first time one of these "mystery soldier diseases" appeared. GWS is just the same thing but with a different chemical causing different damage. They're all chemical exposures.
I think you mean WP, White Phosphorous or Wooly Pete.
There are varying formulas for it, but the problem is that that stuff is very, very widely used as smoke munitions for concealment... while it is also known to be pretty damn toxic to breathe if you are in a confined space with it, or there is a sufficient concentration of it in a windless depression or something like that.
It also burns quite hot upon initial ignition... the video game Spec Ops: The Line is famous for showing an exceedingly realistic depiction of what it does when deployed as a weapon.
It's really fun when you say "Agent Orange and other chemicals" and someone jumps in to be a know it all and correct you.
I meant what I said. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension. I purposely brought up a much more well known occurrence of the same thing happening to compare them.
You are reading hostility where there is none. You said other chemicals, so I expanded on that with what I know.
Standard 'Yes, and!' kind of thing, adding to a discussion.
You say you use a more well known example, so I added what is a far, far more commonly used chemical which is not widely known to even be a dangerous 'other chemical'.
My personal, extremely unprofessional hypothesis on this is that it is at least in some part due to inhaling basically aerosolized depleted uranium, or taking basically microscopic shrapnel from rounds on target nearby.
A 10s, M1A1s, Bradleys, many different combat vehicles were using DU in some form or another, if not for the first time, certainly for the first time at such a large scale.
DU is a wonderful kind of hell material that can either partially 'moltenify' or splinter and shatter depending on its velocity and angle of impact with whichever material, to put it in very over simplistic terms.
You also basically cannot metabolize it out, its stuck in you forever.
Of course I am not a biologist or materials science expert, there was a ton of other insane shit going on as well.
I can't imagine breathing anywhere near hundreds of flaming oil wells is good for your health either.
EDIT: People do not widely know that breathing in the smoke from a wood bon fire for 30 minutes is something like the equivalent of smoking a few packs of cigarettes in terms of carcinogen exposure, scale that up to 100s petroleum wells burning for weeks or months.
And then there is Wooly Pete, White Phosphorus... that shit is extremely bad to be in close proximity to.
This is exactly what the research guys have concluded, whether it be dusty folks in war zones, emergency service personnel or just your ordinary, average everyday dusty dude in the street. The inflammatory response is triggered by a build up of nasties in the body, a combination of toxins, fine particulates and biological pathogens, the end result is immune dysregulation...Bingo!