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[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

recitation of a previously unknown extinct language. The language was hidden on a cuneiform tablet containing a ritual text written in Hittite. The Hittite ritual text refers to the lost tongue as the language of the land of Kalašma, an area that likely corresponds to where the towns of Bolu or Gerede in northern Turkey are located today.

Very very cool. They know it's indo-european but not much else.

[–] DarienGS@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

I was wondering why the researchers hadn't released any pictures of this newly discovered language, but on careful re-reading I realise it was transcribed in cunieform... so to me it would be totally indistinguishable from any other Hittite tablet.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah sure fuck it. Let's just read the ancient mystery tablet and see what happens. I'm willing to roll those dice right now.

[–] The_Eminent_Bon@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It could be another complaint letter about copper

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuck Ea-nāṣir and his low grade copper.

[–] BenPranklin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

We can only hope

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't believe I have to say this but: ghosts aren't real.

[–] Dee@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's exactly what a ghost on the Internet would say.

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Ghost in the shell

[–] Terminus@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

I'll give you Bardic Inspiration

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago

Just don't recite it.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Back when they didn't have virtual machines so they had to hand-transpile it into Fortran and encode that onto punch slabs to put in their stone computers

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Except that it was so long ago that they were still using Onetran.

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

"My cousin Nanni in Akkadia warned me not to buy copper from you, but I foolishly did not heed his warning..."

[–] Liempong_Pagong@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Archeology never ceases to amaze me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will always regret not going for an archaeology degree in college.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

No you won't. As was explained by an actual archaeologist, the domain is likened to a ponzi scheme where you spend more time trying to convince investors to finance your digging through the mud than actually finding anything worth investing in. You will give everything you have and more to the lowest bidder, because all the rich people you'd look to invest are already taken by professors much older and much more experienced than you are. Dirty deeds are abound and everywhere you go there will be no escape from smuggling, money laundering or corporate interests clashing with your own. The archaeology profession is synonymous with nepotism and corruption because all the purists are already buried deep next to the relics they so wished to uncover.

[–] ratz30@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You could always work in cultural resource management. Here in Canada archaeological assessment is a legal requirement before any major construction, so there's always work to do without begging for investors. That said you'll be more educated and less paid than other trades-people you'll encounter on site, and that makes all the hard work certainly feel less rewarding.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

So, I believe you, but the bad news is that you could replace archaeology with just about any other discipline and it would be just as true.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, digs interest me less than landscape archaeology, which is a whole different ballgame, as it requires very little funding. You can do a lot of it with a map and a bicycle if you know what I'm doing. I don't know what I'm doing though.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then go learn and after that, have fun.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm 46 and don't have the time, money or energy to go back to school at this point. But it's a nice thought and I'll continue to read up on Ohio's Hopewell Culture and the Mississippian culture to the West that came after it and all of the amazing marks they left on the landscape (although so many have been destroyed).

This is spot on. Anthropology is similar, except that there is absolutely no money whatsoever and the fights are over community college gigs.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


According to the Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg in Germany, a public research university, the lost language belongs to the Indo-European family, which includes hundreds of related tongues that are all thought to share a single prehistoric ancestor.

The latest Indo-European language to be identified was discovered thanks to a ritual text inscribed on a tablet at the UNESCO World Heritage Site of Boğazköy-Hattusha in Turkey's northern Çorum province.

The Hittite ritual text refers to the lost tongue as the language of the land of Kalašma, an area that likely corresponds to where the towns of Bolu or Gerede in northern Turkey are located today.

"The Hittites were uniquely interested in recording rituals in foreign languages," Daniel Schwemer, head of the Chair of Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg, said in a press release.

However, professor Elisabeth Rieken with the Philipps University of Marburg, Germany, a specialist in Anatolian languages, has confirmed that the Kalasmaic tongue belongs to the Indo-European family, according to Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg.

In a study published in the journal Transactions of the Philological Society, a team of scientists describe how they partially deciphered the "unknown" Kushan script, an ancient writing system that was once in use in parts of Central Asia between around 200 B.C.


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[–] kingludd@lemmy.basedcount.com 3 points 1 year ago

Not 200 BC-- that date is for an unrelated language.

Hittittes were around from like 1600-1200 BC, so a language lost to them is probably at least like 1500 BC.

[–] Aesculapius@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be sure to drink your ovaltine

[–] moldyringwald@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

A crummy commercial?! (⁠╯⁠°⁠□⁠°⁠)⁠╯⁠︵⁠ ⁠┻⁠━⁠┻

[–] bfg9k@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I had a thought of some archaeologists dusting off a first-gen ipad and peering at it through a microscope

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

The message was translated 'what r u up to rn? I wanna double park on that booty baby'

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Hey, who swapped my Fertility Ceremony tablet with my Funerary Rites tablet!?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

tlhIngan Hol vIghaj