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since misinfo re: my country has forced me to come back unofficially and earlier than i wanted, i might as well ask: is there any other COD game that isn't pure state propaganda and isn't anti-USSR? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml to c/games@hexbear.net
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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5465513

i know COD WAW is one of them where it has the best portrayal of the soviets, but the other COD games where you also get to play as the soviets/red army soldier like in the original COD (COD 2003) and in COD 2 - are they just as good? or at least, not as problematic as with the newer cod games?

because i refuse to play any game that's just pure crystallized american state propaganda and talks shit about the USSR. fuck off with that shit.

figured i'd post it here too since hexbear has more activity than the grad ~~but i'm still a grad patriot so crossposting it is instead lmao~~

but yeah, any thoughts?

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[–] TheChemist@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, you could play the supposed "Evil Ending" of COD: Black Ops: Cold War. Unlike the supposed "Good Ending" where you support the Americans and get killed for your troubles, your friends from the USSR welcome you back with open arms and let you take revenge on the Americans.

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah, i heard about this a while back.

very funny that the 3 letter agency using you and throwing you away (like they always do) is considered good but joining the soviets and them welcoming you back like you're family is considered bad somehow. did they switch the ending names by any chance?

~(don't~ ~answer~ ~that.~ ~it's~ ~a~ ~rhetorical~ ~question.~ ~i~ ~already~ ~know~ ~this~ ~is~ ~meant~ ~to~ ~be~ ~propaganda,~ ~but~ ~damn~ ~if~ ~it~ ~isn't~ ~stupid~ ~as~ ~fuck)~

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

COD WAW has alot of the "soviets are just as bad as the nazis" bullshit

i would say the most sympathetic cod to the soviets is COD 2, if only because theres no real characterization of the soviets or any real story at all lol

COD 1 has like wierd scenes influenced by that dumb movie enemy at the gates where the soviets apparently sent their soldiers to die without any weapons for shits and giggles

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

i've finished playing COD WAW the other day and idk, i haven't seen any "soviets are as bad as the nazis" bs.

did you mean those scenes that portray them committing "atrocities" on the nazis by shooting nazis that wanted to surrender? or the scenes where red army showed them no mercy? or the red army telling nazis/germans once they entered berlin to "abandon your homes, your posts, all hope"? or the fact that reznov or the commissar was very zealous about wanting to take down nazis, to the point of enjoying it? or the part where the red army were killing nazis "that couldn't harm them or were too injured to fight back"?

if that's the case then i still loved it, never once did i think it was weird or that they tried to portray the soviets as "equally as bad" or anything. on the contrary, it only got me more psyched and look forward to the soviet missions more. so i can play as the red army and teach nazis a lesson. because really, screw them. t(^^

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Yes but you have to remember that most westerners secretly love the Nazis

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

did you mean those scenes that portray them committing "atrocities" on the nazis by shooting nazis that wanted to surrender? or the scenes where red army showed them no mercy? or the red army telling nazis/germans once they entered berlin to "abandon your homes, your posts, all hope"? or the fact that reznov or the commissar was very zealous about wanting to take down nazis, to the point of enjoying it? or the part where the red army were killing nazis "that couldn't harm them or were too injured to fight back"?

i mean we might think thats all great or whatever

but the libs that wrote it explicitly meant to shade it as a bad thing

[–] Hazmatastic@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume CoD itself isn't state propaganda, or the military's most effective recruitment tool

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

......i implied this when i said this in the post.

or at least, not as problematic as with the newer cod games?

because i refuse to play any game that’s just pure crystallized american state propaganda and talks shit about the USSR

[–] Hazmatastic@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh I meant as a franchise. To me, it was kind of like asking if anyone knew a grocery store that didn't sell groceries. Was really just trying to reinforce the point.

But if you're just looking for the least blatant one, I would look at the other comments. I stopped playing them after Black Ops.

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah i'm not even gonna touch black ops or any games afterwards. just gonna stick to cod1, 2 and waw.

[–] Shaleesh@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

CoD4, while still propragandistic and far from perfect, carries a message abut the futility of interventionist foreign policy and the brutality of war. The game is old enough to buy itself but the rest of the post will be under spoilers out of courtesy.

spoilerThe whole arc where the US invades a generic middle eastern nation is pretty unambiguously a commentary on the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The first mission of the arc involves an amphibious assault on a coastal city where it is assumed that Big Bad #1 is hiding out. After high casualties on both sides it is revealed the US intelligence was duped via very unsophisticated means. The next two missions are completely forgettable but the final mission of the US arc has the player character assaulting the capitol city with the intent of capturing Big Bad #1. Along the way they take great effort to rescue a downed helicopter pilot, shortly after which a nuclear weapon goes off. This kills everyone, rendering the rescue pointless. The player character dies in first person after their helicopter crashes in a scene that looks incredible to this day.

The other arc has the player fighting breakaway russian "ultranationalists" as british special forces. There really isn't all that much commentary in that one and its mostly "cool good guys shoot cringe bad guys and save the day". It should be mentioned that the russian enemies are arguably NazBols given their fascistic description and soviet aesthetics.

In the sequel its revealed that the bad guys won in russia and the US has spent half a decade in a counterinsurgency quagmire so that basically made the whole first game futile. The rest of the game is pretty much what you would expect from a game of its era, genre, and budget.

Idk, CoD4 and CoD6 were pretty good for what they are.

[–] bunnygirl@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

don't play or know much about COD but wasn't Vanguard kinda alright at it? At least insofar that the sections of Soviet life are just kinda.. normal? Plus it's a bunch of Allies shooting nazis so it's easy to get right