No. Russia did not send UAVs to damage a nuclear plant. Russia captured the plant as a strategic position to hold and control. Once your troops are stationed there, you have a vested interest in maintaining the integrity of the reactor. Ukraine's attack was an attack on a nuclear plant with zero intention to hold and control it.

[+] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk -11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Parts of a drone 100m from the plant.

In no way provides proof of an attack aimed to damage the plant.

Unless you are trying to claim russia walked in without firing a weapon. Atm you do not have the info to make that comparison.

Taking posesston requires survailance and potential removal of guarding forces. Drone can be used for both.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

LOL, drones can be used for occupation? Really? Foolish mental acrobatics so you don't have to deal with reality.

Sending a drone, likely a kamikaze drone, at a nuclear power plant is not a valid military operation.

What Russia did, quite clearly, was captured and secure a plant. What Ukraine did, based on the evidence, is chuck an explosive at a plant.

[–] sweng@programming.dev -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"At a plant", or "near a plant"?

Also, why couldn't a drone strike be precursor to capturing and securing the plant? E.g. destroy guard posts in front of the plant in a controlled manner to reduce the risk of uncontrolled firefights during the capturing?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The owners of the plant say it was an attack on the plant. You can feel free to go find evidence to back up your claims of something else and present it.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well, if the owner's word is enough as evidence on it's own, Russia has committed quite a bit of warcrimes in Ukraine. Will be interesting to see how they could possibly weasel out of a conviction considering the rock-solid "trust-me bro" evidence also provided by Ukraine.

Maybe one should not blindly trust the word of one of the warring parties?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Way to deflect into whataboutism.

Nuclear brinkmanship is the USA's behavior. The only country to use nukes on people was the USA. The USA is the one who violated non-proliferation giving nukes to Israel. The USA is the country that has pulled out of nuclear treaties. Bush 2 was openly calling for the development of tactical nukes. Under Biden the military was openly describing their work in Taiwan as building the Pacific kill chain, essential nuclear first strike capabilities.

So when a country that's been invaded by the West 3 times in last 150 years says that there was an attempt to create nuclear escalation, yeah I am gonna believe it

[–] sweng@programming.dev -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Holy whataboutism indeed. In a war between Ukraine and Russia, we are supposed to blindly believe Russia, because the US is doing bad stuff with nukes in a differen part of the world?

BTW, after how many invasions does one get the "everyone must believe what I say" card? I mean, Ukraine has also been invaded a few times now.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't understand whataboutism and can't tell the difference between it and corroborating evidence.

Whataboutism is when I say that the owner of the plant says there was an attempt at nuclear terrorism and you say Russia commits war crimes.

Corroborating evidence is when I make a bold claim like the USA is engaging in nuclear brinkmanship and then provide historical evidence to support my claim.

Do you see the difference or can you only hear "screeeeee I am a Russian apologist bot paid by the Kremlin"?

[–] sweng@programming.dev -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ukraine fights Russia. "But what about US nuclear brinkmanship in completely different places?"

Would you BTW answer how many times one needs tp be invaded until one should be blindly trusted? I'm truly curious. You mentioned 3 times in 150 years. Is that more or less it?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't argue with fuck wits after I recognize them. Piss off with your intellectual dishonesty.

[–] sweng@programming.dev -2 points 2 weeks ago

There's no need to argue. We can just check what the Ukrainian position is. As Ukraine has been invaded by Russia at least 3 times within the last 150 years, it means no proof is needed (by your logic).

It's unclear to me what happens if two countries have been invaded 3 times, but tell different stories. Do we believe the one that has been invaded more in that case?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did they attack it, or did fighting just happen around it? Because from all the ink the media spent on reporting about it, I don't remember them actually saying it was targeted.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you truly believe that Russian commanders never considered the Ukrainian nuclear reactor a military target after the fact that they gladly bomb schools and civilian shelters that never contained anything with military value, we can be allowed to call you a sweet summer child.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

no one needs to hear what you come up with in your mind palace

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's not a palace. More like a moist moldy shack out in the landfill.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

And we called it what?

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

No, they didn't. The fact that no nuclear meltdown happened should tell you that.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh you sweet summer child... It's not an attack when the Führer commands it.

[–] Keineanung@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

AdamEatsAss asking a great question.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I imagine that’s some of the logic behind selecting this target. They want the Russians to feel the insecurity that Ukrainians have felt.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

By that logic we need to hand them 100 tlams to pound Moscow.

We should do that anyway though.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's because it is

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

Was it an act of nuclear terrorism when Russia did it?

[–] Trilobite@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago

Next it will be troops taking it

[–] Nooodel@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

SCMP... ain't that a state run propaganda agency?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

lemmy.world ain't that the reddit of Lemmy instances?