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[–] fylkenny@feddit.de 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should change to one or the other the moment he looks at it.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure that's how it works. Is it?

[–] McBain@feddit.ch 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is

But it's not looking at it, it's how we measure the state.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for redirecting there. I actually had physics classes in my higher education but I'm a bit confused on when particule behavior and wave behavior manifest now that's it's been some years

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually everything is both, even you are a wave, just a really shitty one that is much closer to a partical

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the Weather.”

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] borth@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

LOL, love that guy!

[–] gsfraley@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Fucking LOL

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not just light but everything

[–] elint@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are you saying all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves?

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just talking about wave-particle duality. Every radiation, electrons which have a wave nature has found to have a particle nature, and every particles have a wave nature. Wave nature is inversely related to mass so for big objects wave nature is unnoticeably small

[–] elint@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Far out, man.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

But where's Tom with the weather?

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Like...totally man...

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electrons also have wave like properties.

[–] ssboomman@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All small particles do, they’ve done the double slit expirement with atoms and molocules

[–] Haus@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've done a double slit experiment with OP's mom.

[–] AnotherOne@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

thats it, everyone go home

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok so a wave is the physical expression of energy transferring through a medium

Ocean waves are kinetic energy transferring from water molecule to water molecule, sound is high frequency waves moving through a transmissible medium in a way we can perceive as noise, etcetera.

"Light is a wave and a particle" refers to the fact that since photons travel in a probability wave until perceived, they are capable of being their own medium for electromagnetic energy.

This is why light can travel in a vacuum where other wave based phenomenon cannot, light comes with its own medium to travel through the void with.

[–] SickPanda@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

light can be glad there is no space police. That's illegal.

[–] ssboomman@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This kinda falls apart once you realize that all small particles (atoms, electrons, molecules, etc) have wave particle duality.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes but its the best "in English please" explanation I can come up with.

Otherwise we're going to have to start talking about the non-zero odds a beautiful woman is going to materialize and accept the second ice cream cone and nobody has the time for that outside of a laboratory or lecture hall.

[–] Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This medium you're talking about is called "aether" and was disproven in 1887.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No, that is the separate medium, I'm talking about the photon being both the medium and the energy the medium is carrying.

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Quantum uncertainty

It's both at the same time.

"The Imperial Henry Theory"

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My cat's name is Scooter.

[–] CaptnKarisma@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The post title got me the most. Sounds like something you can't say, like you'll get arrested over it.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

As a general rule, if you set out to design an experiment to show that light is a wave (or a particle), it will behave as a wave (or a particle). The more fun thing is to show that it behaves as both, which can be done by utilizing sensitive detectors and exploiting interference patterns.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, this is a nice meme.

[–] EherVielleicht@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago
[–] MaxPower@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After listening to 100s of science podcasts, watching 1000s of science vids on YT, and sleeping on a Neil Degrasse Tyson pillow I still don't understand how something can be both a particle and a wave. Sounds made up, like by a lazy SWE

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's easier once you understand that they are not both, particles are actually a type of wave 🙃

Reality is an illusion, it's waves all the way down, these meat prisons hallucinate solidity to cope with the presence of complex force interactions they can't properly perceive, Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

[–] z500@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago
[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I think the best way of thinking about it is that it's neither. Vaguely speaking, "quantum stuff" can be described very well by math, and this math has some elements of "waveness" (think wave equations, interference) and "particleness" (think ladder operators or maybe position eigenstates). But that doesn't mean it's one, the other, or even both


it's described by some math, and that math is agnostic as to what you call it.

In our macroscopic experience it's easy to divide the world into these two convenient buckets, but the reality is different.

Personally I think this weirdness is exploited by popsci to get more clicks, but maybe that's just my jaded opinion after years of grad school...

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] tilcica@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

depends. sunlight is #edd59e

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sunlight is a mix of all visible wavelengths and more, how can it have a specific colour?

[–] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

You have specific colours depending on sun status like Lee 025 sunset red or something like Lee 764

[–] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Light is made of quanta. Neither waves nor particles.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The word "quanta" in this context means discrete units of energy. It is a general term; in the case of electromagnetic energy a quantum is a photon.

Mindbogglingly, light behaves as both particles and waves, not neither. The best explanation I've seen for this so far is this video about quantum fields.

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[–] EherVielleicht@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A photon is a quanta of light. Our picture of light, to this point, has been that of a wave. Wave-like characteristics are responsible for diffraction and refraction. However, light is absorbed and emitted one photon at a time.

I knew some new study would betrayal me, well I still wave my particle.....

[–] McJonalds@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

isnt a photon just a wave in the photon field or w\e?

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago
[–] ceuk@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Quanta is just a word (related to quantity) as in: "smallest divisible quantity of"

So in the case of light we would be talking about photons, which are a quanta of light (e.g. discrete "packets" of light).

Light behaves as a wave, e.g. we can talk about the frequency of light. But it's also pretty different from macroscopic waves e.g. it's not accurate to think of them as what your see on a typical sinusoid graph, as at that level things don't really have a fixed shape or position, we're talking more about areas where they "probably" are (see: superposition, HUP etc)

It's useful to think of light in terms of discrete photons for a number of reasons, e.g. in pair production, 1 gamma photon would be sufficient to create 1 electron/positron pair.

Photons also exhibit other particle-like behaviour despite having no rest mass. But the idea of rest mass becomes less significant at that level anyway as the line between energy and mass (e=mc²) gets blurred. And any sufficiently high energy object will likely exhibit some massive properties (hence why we tend to use MeV - a measure of energy - instead of a measure of mass, even when performing calculations with massive particles such as electrons.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago