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"Threads is deepening its ties to the fediverse, also known as the open social web, which powers services like X alternative Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, Flipboard and other apps. On Wednesday, Meta announced that users on Threads will be able to see fediverse replies on other posts besides their own. In addition, posts that originated through the Threads API, like those created via third-party apps and scheduling services, will now be syndicated to the fediverse. The latter had previously been announced via an in-app message informing users that API posts would be shared to the fediverse starting on August 28."

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 89 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Daily reminder to defederate from and block threads.net (and optionally all instances that do not do the same).

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 46 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly. Proudly presented by https://fedipact.veganism.social/ and https://fedipact.online/why among others.

You can read the human rights abuses that meta is facilitating above.

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So... Instances like lemmy.world, that this is posted to?

yes, I'm federated with them as well, but shit like this is why I dislike them being so big. In the end all the smaller instances can either have strong morals and integrity, or have access to the largest amount of content in the fediverse, but not both.

[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Ehh mastodon and lemmy don't see a ton of cross talk. Threads is mainly going to affect mastodon instances.

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[–] kerthale@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe we should do a reverse embrace-extend-extinguish where we open everything up until the point that they start introducing ads to enshittify the platform. Then after that great migration say goodbye to them

[–] troed@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

They can't place ads in your feeds.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Most platforms (especially reddit, instagram, twitter) moved ads from ad-dedicated spaces, to authentic-seeming posts, that are actually ads.

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[–] niartenyaw@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

they technically could do this by representing ads with posts.

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[–] kerthale@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s exactly the point. There are a lot of users on Threads who might be happy with the Fediverse. Threads will undoubtedly need a put in ads in their app/instance, their enshittification is inevitable. If it becomes easy for users to move over to more friendly Fediverse instances, that is a win.

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[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Defedding from threads always seems strange to me. Everyone says it's to protect your data from meta. But they can already get your data. Everything on the fediverse is public. They already have your data.

[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It’s not about the data, but the community. Just like how Google killed IRC, big techs are always trying to embrace, extend and extinguish the services.

[–] heluecht@pirati.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@Dirk @MrScottyTay Also I think that one should ask the question, what Meta could do with the data and what it is doing with the data of their users. For their users they use the usage data to present them a feed that the users appreciate. Also they use it to place ads inside of their apps. Also they use the data to serve you ads outside of their system on ad networks that use data from Meta.

All of this is technically not possible for Fediverse users.

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[–] flancian@social.coop 4 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

@Dirk @xelar thanks for your view, question: defederating with threads seems reasonable, but why would you defederate "second level" like this? I ask as the instance I'm in decided not to defederate with threads for now and I'm personally OK with that.

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[–] Rubisco@slrpnk.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Who's the artist of the image? I like the art style

Also the scared Lemmy and mastodon :( I feel bad for them

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

Oh sick I didn't realize it was his work, nice, thank you!

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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That same Meta that performs emotional manipulation experiments on its users without informing them or receiving their consent? No, thank you!

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair, this is describing all advertising.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago

THE ENSHITIFICATION OF EVERYTHING MUST NOT INCLUDE THE FEDIVERSE PLEASE

thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck off Zuck, you're not welcome here.

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Is anyone even using threads?

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[–] VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fuck the Zucc

This won't affect the Fedipact instances like dbzer0, right?

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope. But world agreed to it and this could hurt the fediverse in the overall since world is the majority

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the reason why I moved away from lemmy.world.

Same here. Fucking sell outs

[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's not how ActivityPub works.

On a technical level, no. You're right. It would not be possible to capture the protocol entirely. But meta has serious cash to spend on marketing Threads. If they can capture enough of the ActivityPub market and were to collab with Bluesky and use their protocol (I forget the name), or make their own, it's only a matter of time before the drop activitypub and force users either to join threads or lose access to their users.

Threads and Bluesky are kind of an existential threat to ActivityPub given Meta and Twitter's track record with Open Graph, bootstrap, and public api's.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

But why?

Simply put, there aren’t a lot of us, we don’t like them, and we aren’t particularly nice people, even to people we don’t dislike a priori.

It seems like a poor business decision.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

The largest social media operator in the world had to adopt open source concepts and ActivityPub in order to compete. I see this as a huge win.

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