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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agreed until I got to the point where the orange guy tells the truth. That's objectively untrue, on almost everything that he's said that I can recall hearing or reading. Those one or three things he's actually been factual about, well, broken clock, twice a day.

On the other side of the aisle, yes and no. Yes because of the part of the article that came before claiming tfg tells the truth; and no because everything else that comes out of their mouths is also objectively untrue, despite redefining the terms.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The real problem liberals have with Trump isn't with his lies, but rather with him unapologetically stating the actual intentions, without obscuring them in a veil of rhetoric. A noteworthy example was him openly acknowledging that the US occupies Syria for its oil reserves, demonstrating that the human rights defense is merely a pretext. This unveiling exposes the facade behind which liberals hide to justify their government's atrocities. Consequently, Trump forces them to confront the harsh reality of the United States being a fascist state. That’s what drives them up the wall.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

Either I hadn't started breaking through a lifetime of brainwashing yet, or I didn't see it. I just found a Guardian article about it. Holy geez, imagine if Cheney had said that wrt Iraq, which was tangentially true. Because iirc, it was over food for oil program wanting to switch from petrodollar to petroeuro. Wow. Keep chipping through my ignorance. Vote changed.

ETA Thank you. *

[–] JGrffn@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The real problem liberals have with Trump isn't with his lies

No, it really is. He lies and lies and makes almost everything up, and all every normal person sees is the trump cult eating it all up. Trump says he won, and people go fight for him thinking he did win. Then turns out he admits he lost, and NOW those same trump supporters are angry that he lied to them.....when it's been so obvious to everyone else.

He lies about his intentions, since he clearly likes the power and has profited himself off it, but his supporters think he's being honest? Maybe he's being blunt where others would be more formal and evasive, but he's not being honest, almost ever. If he stands to gain nothing personally, he puts 0 effort into it, and his supporters confuse it as him being honest. It's so bizarre that they miss it, I genuinely don't understand it. They just attribute so much purpose to his actions where there is none beyond the need to satisfy his ego and fill his pockets. He couldn't care less about "exposing the fascist state", hell, he's clearly trying to create one under his rule and for his benefit.

It pains me to think that the far left could argue in bad faith, but strawmanning "the libruls" and then making them out to be the radicalized left's enemy, when they're the source of most radicalized lefties.....it just makes no sense to me.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Nah, it really isn't because liberals lie constantly themselves. If you think democrats don't lie about their intentions then you really haven't been paying attention. It's precisely what he's being honest about that's the problem for people who keep trying to whitewash the US system.

[–] Scirocco@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I actually read your article, and I wholly disagree.

Facts matter, truth matters and without the A students we would be even further down the road to Idiocracy, which ofc looks more like a future-documentary every day.

Your brand of "it's all stupid, so join the stupid train" seems designed to appeal to people who want to be stupid. Or you could call yourself ignorant, if you prefer.

In any case, the anti-intellect position that you promote may have a basis in reality (headline hippos) but it is far from a positive contribution.

You can do better.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Facts matter, truth matters

The whole point is the obsession with facts leads to dems telling lies that they've tortured into being technically factual. This is fact telling that is anti-truth. And normal peopoe know they're being lied to.

we would be even further down the road to Idiocracy, which ofc looks more like a future-documentary every day.

Dems and their supporters live outside of reality just as republicans do. Liberalism and all of its tendancies is fundementally ungrounded in reality so it should come as no surprise. I'll leave aside that you're one of those "Idiocracy is a documentary" people to focus on this because its more important.

Dems and their supporters believe in a litany of factually incorrect and untrue things. Dem supporters deny that they are genocide supporters. Dem supporters call what we're experiencing a "vibesession." Dem supporters don't care that Obama is a war criminal. Dem supporters have rehabilitated W and Cheney - the worst living war criminals on earth. Dem supporters believed Ukraine was beating the Russian Federation. Dem supporters deny Ukraine's army is full of nazis. Dem supporters believe in Uighur genocide. They believe in double genocide theory and the black book of communism. They think Maduro is evil and that Guido was the rightful president of Venezuela. Dem supporters lionized literal nazi Nalvany. Dem supporting radlibs think "Nordic Socialism" is socialism for starters and that it works on anything but imperialist plunder. Dem supporters believe democracy will end if Trump is elected - but see no problem with him being allowed to run and/or not currently improsioned. Dem supporters don't believe smol bean dem presidents can accomplish anything but Trump can literally becomeva dictator. Dem supporters believe that dems are blameless in Roe being overturned. Dem supporters believe "the parlimentarian said no" is a valid reason they can't raise the federal minimum wage.

[–] Scirocco@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Welp, pack it all in boys, this Rhodes Scholar knows the true mind of every registered democrat in the nation!

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, he fucking nailed you

Cecil Rhodes was a racist piece of shit

Idiocracy was a movie with an inherently fascist premise and yet President Camacho is objectively a better president than any in my lifetime, at least he genuinely tries to help the people

Wish I could watch you being "rehabilitated" it would be hilarious

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Cecil Rhodes was a racist piece of shit

I can't think of a single Rhode Scholar who isn't a complete neolib ghoul carrying on Rhodes legacy of barbarism and exploitation. Not exactly a group of people i envy or would want to be a part of

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It seriously took you 17 days to come up with this banger michael-laugh

[–] miz@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

could you tell us specifically which of the things listed you don't agree with?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The only one with an anti-intellect position here is you. Using sophistry to try and paint a situation as something that it's not is not intellectual in any way. Facts and truth do matter, and that's precisely why using word games to misrepresent reality is a problem.

Your brand of using straw man arguments to avoid engaging with what's actually being said to you seems designed to appeal to people who want to be stupid. Or you could call yourself ignorant, if you prefer.

In any case, the anti-intellect position that you promote where you discourage people from critically thinking about the narrative they're fed is far from a positive contribution.

You can do better.