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[–] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Update tou your question, though this targeted towards Hezbullah and not Hammas: Bro they just took ~2000 of them with pinpoint accuracy in one go!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The "war" in Gaza isn't meant to take out Hamas. It's meant to eradicate the Palestinian people.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ok I have seen many replies saying the same thing but the question I got if say they take Gaza what are they going to do with it? Just focus on the West Bank?

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Occupy it? Same thing they've been doing to all Palestinian land, piece by piece since the 40s

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 days ago

Presumably. They want to kill all Palestinians or drive them out. Either is acceptable to them.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

Because the genocide is the point.

Israeli leadership have admitted to funding Hamas' displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results - the only credible explanation for this is that it was to manufacture the pretext for their current actions.

#justautocraticfascistethnostatethings

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

There’s some valuable real estate in those hills.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 4 days ago

The goal is not to destroy Hamas. This is a ridiculous excuse. Their true objective is to remove all the Palestinians from their homes, so they can occupy the land. Israel is a fascist, imperialist actor that tries to manipulate everyone through propaganda distributed through international media.

[–] kvasir476@lemmy.world 122 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Almost like the goal isn't taking out Hamas leadership. Hmmm...

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago

Nor do they want to rescue the hostages. It’s all an excuse to carry out death. In Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The goal is not to eliminate Hamas. The goal is to depopulate Gaza.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 18 points 4 days ago

Look at what they do, no need to listen to what they say.

Israel is a bad faith actor.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 97 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Israel loves Hamas. Let's them justify their persecution of the Palestinians and the ongoing genocide. They don't want to end Hamas until after they end the Palestinians. That way they get more land to colonize.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Israel helped with Hamas funding for a while. They have always been useful to Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Edited for clarity.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 53 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Because Israel's goal is the kill all Palestinians. According to the 3000 year old fairy tales they believe in, anyone who is not an Israelite must be killed driven off from their promised land.

Israel is a religious theocracy run by crazy genodical maniacs.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Currently it is very heavily run by the genocidal religious nuts. Netanyahu needs them to stay in power, which is the part that he cares about. The only part he cares about probably, though I doubt he cares about Palestinians or even believes that they're human. Like most religions, their divided opinions. But since the nutjobs have the keys right now, Netanyahu will do absolutely everything they demand if it keeps him from being ousted (and likely arrested).

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the genocide did not start with netanyahu. take this example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 81 points 4 days ago (44 children)

Because it's a genocide. The point isn't to just take out Hamas and say "mission accomplished", it's to take out the entirety of Palestine and say "we tried our best to save them". Hamas has to continue existing in order for Israel to keep justifying every extension to this war.

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[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 4 days ago

Because the genocide is the goal.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The intention is to "liquidate" Gaza like the Wermacht liquidated the Warsaw ghetto in 1943. It is an annihilation. Hamas and the hostages are just the excuse.

Zionists did the same thing to the rest of Palestine in the Nakba of 1948. Israelis now call this the Gaza Nakba.

[–] CerealKiller01@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Err... did I misunderstood the question, or do (nearly?) all commenters have no idea what they're talking about?

You're asking why Israel doesn't assassinate Hamas's top leaders, right? Or did I misunderstood and you asking Israel doesn't ONLY assassinate Hamas's top leaders? Or are you asking why Israel responded differently to Munich?

To answer the first question, well... they are. Hamas's top leaders according to BBC are:

  • Ismail Haniyeh - Killed.
  • Mohammed Deif - Probably killed.
  • Marwan Issa - Killed.
  • Mahmoud Zahar - Alive. is 79 years old and might not be active/influential in the leadership.
  • Khaled Meshaal - Alive.
  • Yahya Sinwar - Alive.

Also, keep in mind that the response to the Munich massacre took about 2 decades.

As to why Israel dosen't ONLY assassinate Hamas's leadership, the simple answer is that it won't solve anything. It won't bring the hostages home (It will probably have opposite effect as a. it will leave Israel without a centralized entity with whom to negotiate and b. Sinwar might be using hostages as human shields, which also might explain why he's still alive), and it will still leave Israel with a terrorist entity next door. The official Israeli version is that the assassinations, among other things, serve as leverage on Hamas leaders to secure a deal. Obviously, this is only effective if there is some leadership left.

If you're asking why Israel responded differently to Munich, it's because the situation is totally different in numerous ways. But the question itself is also factually wrong - Israel didn't only assassinate the leaders of Black September. Firstly, the goal was to "assassinate individuals they accused of being involved in the 1972 Munich massacre", not just the leaders. Not only that, Israel also responded with raids and bombings (for example: 1973 Israeli raid in Lebanon).

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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

Wrong question and framing.

Israel's goal is not to get rid of Hamas or their leadership.

Their real goal has been to continue the genocide of the Palestinian people so as to take 100% control of the Palestinian land and to kickout the natives.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Even according to Netanyahu's own statements, the Israeli war aims are the complete destruction of hamas. That's more than leaders. Before this began, estimates put the al-Qassam Brigades at 30-40k strong. So if we take Netanyahu at his word (which I don't recommend) then that would be the minimum for killed/captured before he could declare victory.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago
[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't think this one has a clear cut answer.

In other words, it'll come down to opinions rather than facts or truths.

There's at least three likely possibilities, in my opinion.

First is that hamas is decentralized well enough that taking out leadership only is kinda pointless.

Second, the goals of the current actions aren't solely about hamas, and taking out leaders would weaken the goals as they appear.

Third, mossad may not be able to achieve the goal, and failing would be too risky considering how much pressure is already building against israel. If they try to assassinate people in other countries, and they fail, that's going to make more enemies than they already have, despite those countries themselves already being less than friendly to Israel.

I suspect that the matter was considered, but discarded quickly. It just wouldn't achieve anything useful for them, despite the purported goal of destroying hamas.

Now, there's also the chances that the real goal is purely to destroy Palestine, and take full ownership of the land. That's a distinct possibility, imo. If that's the real underlying goal, doing anything to take down hamas before that's achieved would not happen.

I don't think that anyone can trust what a world leader engaged in a military action of any kind, so taking the stated goals as truth is a bad idea. But they could be, and if that's the case, then using assassination as a tool would weaken their position. It's kinda frowned on.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You missed the key issue: Excuse for the extermination of Palestinians.

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