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Shrapnel in eyes, fingers split: Lebanon medics treating waves of wounded (www.trtworld.com)
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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Can we assume that the majority of the injured people, after these incidents are actually involved in Hezbollah? How many pagers exploded?

Unlike the attacks on Gaza, and Palestine as a whole, (yes I am assuming that this was arranged by Israel) this seems to have been a very targeted action. The explosions (that have been shown in the media) are quite small and seem to only hurt the person holding the pager. People standing next to them seem to be unhurt! On the other hand, news here mention hundreds of pagers exploding, which means that many injuries must have been collateral damages

PS. This popped up on my front page feed - I have no idea what community I am in, just hoping for logical discussions

[–] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There were at least two children murdered so not very targeted. In addition what if one of the pages had gone off on an airplane, or if someone were driving a car. This is simply terrorism.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree, i am simply comparing to the actions in Gaza, and asking for more information. I don't know if pagers can receive messages while flying in an airplane, and two children amongst 3000 injuries is hell of a lot better than what they have achieved in Palestine.

I will not argue for any point, as I have pointed out that there seem to be a lot of contradicting and misleading information around on the attack. I am simply trying to dig into and compare what people are being told about it. Some places it is presented like only a handful of the injured were actual targets. Other places, they say that the majority of the injured were active key Hizbollah members, and that the media is highlighting the few innocent who were accidentally involved

[–] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't have time to teach you media literacy. Obviously you're going to compare resources, look for primary sources first of all and secondary sources etc. Ask these questions, could the person who sent the pagers to Lebanon know who's hands they would ultimately end up in and whose hands they were in when they were detonated?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I am sorry to take up your time, but you are welcome to now reply!

According to local news (Central Europe) the pagers were ordered by Hizbollah. Expecting them to be used by Hizbollah is therefore very likelly, especially considering the intell that Hassan Nasrallah announced in july that phones were no longer safe to use. The sender has said that they were not involved, so meddling must have been made in the transit between the sender and ther reciever.

Listen, I am not arguing any points, I am presenting the contradicting information available and asking what people around the world know. If 3000 pagers were sold to Hizbollah and 3000 got injured, that is a pretty good success, even though random innocents (including children) were affected. On the other hand, if 20 pagers were rigged, and 3000 got hurt, then it is blatant and dangerous warfare that can indeed be compared to terrorism. The information does not add up though