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I've noticed something about some of the people the IDF kills indirectly:

  1. (pre-October 7th) There was a kid a while back on whom an IDF jeep flipped and crushed; the kid was still alive but the IDF refused to allow the ambulance to save his life.

  2. (pre-October 7th) There was a girl they shot and let bleed to death, again, refusing to allow the paramedics to save her life.

  3. There was a disabled child who was attacked by their dog that tore the kid's hand (chest?) badly; they left the disabled kid in a room and took his mother and brother away, only allowing them to come back about a week or ten days later. The disabled kid wasn't able to care for himself and died in that room.

  4. They forced the staff at a hospital to leave, and there were babies in incubators they couldn't do anything about. The staff were only allowed to return two weeks later, I'm not saying anything else about this because it's horrific.

  5. The case of Hind (I think that was her name); they fired on her car with a tank, and then left her there to die, shooting the ambulance that showed up and killing the paramedics inside. On this one I don't know if they knew a child was in the car, but I absolutely don't put it past them.

  6. (pre-October 7th) Just lots of cases of them not allowing paramedics to care for the people they've just shot, but none I remember as specifically as the first two points.

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[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's possibly a terror tactic they are taught and ordered to carry out. Before October 7th, we know that the IDF had the directive to shoot to maim Palestinian non-combatants. The idea probably being that the others would look at them as examples to avoid.

Or it could be just plain old sadism. For a period of time, the IDF had decided to implement this "humanitarian rule", where they'd call the inhabitants of any building they were targeting with a missile, and tell them to evacuate. They'd call and just say "within the next 30 minutes your apartment will be bombed", and then they'd just hang up immediately without pause. In the beginning a lot of the calls turned out to be false alarms, which made people think it was a prank. Then the warning started turning out to be real, and the people wouldn't evacuate on time. Then, when people started heeding the warning, the IDF would "accidentally" call the neighboring apartment block instead of the one being hit. Then, when people started warning the whole neighbourhood, they'd start calling too early (hours before a strike, to make people exit, then go back in after a while, then be reluctant to exit a second time), or too late (2 minutes before the missile hits, giving people very little chance to evacuate).

There's really little point in looking for rhyme or reason to what the IDF does. The Nazis were doing the same things to the Jews. Some of the attrocities commited were direct orders. Others were initiatives based upon directives. Others were just people feeling like the orders didn't go far enough, and they needed to add their own inhuman flavor. Others thought they were just being loyal, or they were fitting in with the rest of the group. And others were just sadists looking for an excuse to make people suffer.

Whenever this question comes up about the motives of genocidal maniacs, I'm reminded of this scene from Come and See (If you haven't watched this movie, just stop reading, put it from the beginning and watch it).

We like to ascribe logic to these people to make ourselves feel that at least they adhere to some sense and reason which we can fight against, but it's dubious they operate on the premises of logic. Or we like to say they've gone crazy and have become irrational and illogical, because we want to avoid admitting that they used to be normal people, like us. Either way, we should be looking at the effects of their actions first and foremost. Whatever reason the IDF has for doing what it's doing, it doesn't make it any more or less horrific, inhumane or brutally criminal.

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

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[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago

This list reminds me of how every now and then a liberal will pop up on xitter or some other public space and proclaim that they're uncomfortable with what's happening in Gaza being compared to the Holocaust because "the Holocaust was on a whole other level of cruelty", and I'm never sure if they're saying that out of idiocy or malice.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well they also make heavy use of torture on captives, so I don't think it's necessarily about the death itself. It's partially a terror tactic, but I also wonder if it's specifically meant to break and condition the soldiers themselves. Eventually they stop viewing their enemies as human and are capable of anything.

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago

IMO- as they are a settler-colonial state in the genocidal subjugation phase of colonization - the cruelty is the point.

"White supremacy" and "settler supremacy" means nothing, until it is put into action. This is how it is done- through inflicting pain, humiliation, and suffering on the "ubtermensch."

This is how it was done in all western colonies; it is how it was done in the Anglo settler-states to the natives, and it was done to the enslaved blacks and their descendants, and even as society progressed such that the optics became worse (even among whites), these countless little cruelties and humiliations still remained, swept under the rug or downplayed, in order to assert their "place in the world" over that of their lessers.

This is still how it is, across the west and wherever westoid-mentality westerners plague.