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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Look, can't we agree that neither country gives a shit about the working class? Nation states are so 20th century. Why not try something new and try dissolving the state and self organizing into communes that best reflect our beliefs and values?

That said... What do the different shades of colors mean in the top image? Only half fucked over?

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net -1 points 1 month ago

Look, can't we agree that neither country gives a shit about the working class?

I have almost the exact opposite take on China.

Shit government, surveil people, torture people, no internet-freedom.

Their huge massive redeeming feature os that they REALLY give a shit about their working class.

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[–] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is the blue in the bottom image the seas and oceans of the world or areas that China claims as the South China sea?

Ramming Philippines ships in Phillipines waters is hardly peaceful conduct.

Don't get me wrong, USA are horrific and absolutely need to be held to account but that doesn't mean China are good guys. All major world powers act like dicks to maintain their own interests.

Oh, and since when is China socialist? The wealth disparity there is hardly people's ownership of the means of production.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io -1 points 1 month ago

This is too close to dishonest to be persuasive.

The word "occupied" is doing the heavy lifting, but saying "invaded & occupied" implies that they've done as little invading as occupying, which is not true.

The USSR isn't included, so the implication that socialism means 0 occupations is also untrue.

All states that identify as socialist have done fewer invasions than the US, as a combination of having existed for less time, having had less power during that time and -yes - having a slightly lower inclination to invade.

All powerful states abuse their power to unacceptable (if differing) degrees. That's the nature of hierarchical power. All nation states are vermin.

[–] theron29@witter.cz -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@yogthos Ummm.... you sure about that?

(Also, China is not the only socialist empire in the history 😉 )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

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