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Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

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[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Huh, I guess I'm really young but I always considered literature majority woman/femme presenting.

My guy friends that do read often read more helpful/confidence boosting works. Or they listen to audiobooks I suppose, both fiction and the helpful/confidence kind. By helpful I mean works like "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck", or "Stolen Focus".

Most of my guy friends are technical or nerd types, not sure if that means anything.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Weird, I know I'm not that old, but 'literature' other than like, Bell Hooks, was a nerd dude thing, while pop fiction was feminized. I read both because I just love reading whatever.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

It's the damn video games!

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We can looki inward or outward. Media consumption just facitates this for better or worse.

I feel like the medium is neither good or bad. If you want to connect with someone meet them where they're at.

[–] Blep@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

All of my friends went to uni so its a biased sample, but id say about 80% of my masc friends read like actual literature. All of them have read various slop novels/manga, but they do engage with art, just less often.

[–] Yeat@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah we’re fucked

[–] Porcupine@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

People who use the internet instead of books are fucking pathetic

I use the internet to get books, were do I fall in the pathetic spectrum (other then reading on my phone almost single-handedly taking me from 20/20 to 20/25)

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