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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Harris Campaign is, more than any other administration in history, absolutely dependent on voters not realizing that she's already been in charge for 4 years.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's really funny how they're trying to recycle the whole change messaging.

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's like "Change from what, motherfucker?" It's your own guys!

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago

it's honestly incredible to watch

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 months ago

Who ya gonna believe, these concocted models & metrics or your lying eyes?

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So often, the language of the imperialist class reads like straight out of an abuser's handbook:

"You don't know how good you have it."

"If you don't like it, you can leave."

"If you left, they'd gut you, unlike here."

"Do you have any idea how much worse it could get if you don't do what I say?"

"They don't care about you like I do."

"You're so childish when you complain."

"Siding with me is the mature thing to do."

"If you're not with me, then you're helping my enemies."

"You're scaring everyone by opposing me, stop being so dramatic."

"I am the best you will find. You really think you can do better? You're delusional."

Note: Although I am paraphrasing, none of this is outside the spirit of things I've seen written/said by imperialists/capitalists/etc. and those who defend them.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Indeed. Arguing with China with my uncle who is only like 5 years older than me I can recognize some of these immediately. "You don't know how good it is here compared to there." "Well, you were talking to some Chinese people, not everyone actually living there", "Do you like sweatshops? Is this what I'm hearing"?

All I got was him getting mad when I countered each one; "They've mostly eliminated homelessness and have a much larger population than we do" "Plenty of people who have visited China who both live there and don't and vloggers who visit and talk freely" "Do you like prison slavery?"

Like, the cognitive dissonance is so fucking real when they internalize all those stereotypical abuser tropes masked in their rhetoric and you point out that America does the same, but worse and globally or that no, they don't have supermassive gulags the size of cities. They just get angry. Even when you put it soft, or put it blunt. I'm seeing the same thing in a lot of people I talk to. They've been perfectly trained to get angry whenever enemies of the state are painted in a light that contradicts.

In order to deconstruct that, you just have to do so fucking much work and throw like 30 citations at them and 8 times out of 10 they'll just shrug.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They get angry because they've made their fantasies part of their identity. So by poking holes in their nonsense, you're "attacking them."

[–] l0tusc0bra@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah I got jumped last night because I said, factually, that if you vote for Kamala then you're supporting genocide (and basically every GOP policy). Kicked dogs holler! Literally every abuser trope was there lol, my favourite was "no you're supporting the US empire by doing nothing!1!" yeah man, supporting the genocidal democratic party is definitely somehow better than not supporting them

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If it's a dream not even Harris' potential voters will notice then maybe it's not their dream Politico's praising.

Class analysis feels like a cheat-code to deciphering liberal media.

[–] Nama@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

They call it a dream economy, because you have to be asleep to fall for this shit. Totally didn't steal that line from one of the greatest.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I give Trump an 85% chance to win, not that it matters that much

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I really can't see how he loses at this point

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they cheat somehow, which isn't something I normally believe but this election is rotten to the core.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If it's so important to "stop fascism" it makes sense to cheat or otherwise institute one party rule. What, are they going to win every election from here until the end of time? That's obviously not going to last long.

[–] l0tusc0bra@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago

usually when you put them to the question they just vaguely say that keeping the dems in power is "buying time" even though these are the same people who have spent the past 4 years doing basically nothing but breathlessly posting about Trump. My heroes.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

They try to concoct this narrative that Trump is somehow a unique evil and once he loses again, “he’ll totally go away this time”, despite him losing in 2020 and his popularity staying the same or getting better with alt-right having gained near total control of the GOP and even part of the Democrats.