[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 day ago

The most perturbing question for the liberal is the question of violence. The liberal’s initial reaction to violence is to try to convince the oppressed that violence is an incorrect tactic, that violence will not work, that violence never accomplishes anything. The Europeans took America through violence and through violence they established the most powerful country in the world. Through violence they maintain the most powerful country in the world. It is absolutely absurd for one to say that violence never accomplishes anything.

Most societies in the West are not opposed to violence. The oppressor is only opposed to violence when the oppressed talks about using violence against the oppressor. Then the question of violence is raised as the incorrect means to attain one’s ends.

https://redsails.org/the-pitfalls-of-liberalism/

These sort of people act like the organized violence inflicted by the oppressor was just siblings having a shouting match and having to learn to share space. No sense of the gravity of what they're talking about.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 days ago

I don't know. I can tell you, seeing what the game industry did to video games certainly helped me adopt an anti-capitalist lens. It was influences significantly beyond that though, that got me all the way to communism.

I mean, the game industry killed most of my passion for video games in a death by a thousand cuts. But that didn't on its own get me in front of people who were talking anti-imperialism, talking Lenin, George Jackson, Michael Parenti.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

As tempting as it is sometimes, doomerism is counter revolutionary. Not to be confused with being down sometimes or contending with depression. Taking a stance, even if meant in jest (and doomerism does go for dark humor sometimes) that suggests there is no hope is a problem. That's not even getting into the problems with feeding narratives about exaggerated differences between generations, which is a divide and conquer thing, and doesn't help us build solidarity with anyone.

There are observable differences between generations in culture and conditions they face, to a certain extent, but exaggerated statements about them that suggest helplessness or a fixed, doomed state of being is not a good idea. And the liberation cause is one where people have more in common, usually, than they have differences.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Pretty sure twitter got worse with stuff like this since Musk took over. Anecdotal, but even with all the wild BS twitter had, I could swear it used to have more of a veneer of decency on the surface at least. Now it seems like every other post that has a mildly "human decency" perspective has got accounts flooding it with stuff that reads like astroturfing for the capitalist, imperialist order.

And I know the porn bots got worse on there (that's easy to see and I've not been the only one to mention it) so if those bots are getting through, it would stand to reason other bots may be getting through more as well. Not to say there aren't real people who push this stuff, but the sheer amount of it is hard to believe as authentic "deep in propaganda" posting. And with LLMs being how they are now, it's feasible to produce bots who can write more coherent and human-sounding BS.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 days ago

I have some experience with modding and game making - not paid company work type of stuff, but studied it in college, have made (small) games on my own or with others and have done extensive modding in one game that got a fair bit of attention.

I agree with cf saying it depends somewhat on the game. But also, overall modding is likely going to be easier for a number of reasons:

  1. Scope. Modding forces you to work within heavy constraints due to being unable to directly edit the game engine, source code, etc. For creative control, this is a drawback, but when you're just trying to get something, anything made, it's a help. It means what could be an overwhelming pool of possibility and a vision gone out of control becomes more akin to, "Okay, let's see if I can change the color of this house." In other words, it forces you to approach tasks as a smaller set of steps and in so doing, makes it easier to make some kind of progress at all, rather than none.

  2. Framework. Modding a game means there's already an existing framework there, a game that functions relatively well, presumably has a decent gameplay loop, etc. So you don't have to worry about, "Am I making something that will be utterly boring/unappealing/etc." because there's still the underlying game beneath it. So it's a lot harder to spend time on something that isn't enjoyable at all. And it means you have existing game design to mimic. In the game I heavily modded, some of the stuff I did was effectively repurposing features that were already there to use them slightly differently. I was still being creative and doing my own ideas, but much of the actual work of it was already done.

Does this mean modding will always be easier than making your own game? Not necessarily. For example, you could make a simple console-based (like command prompt, not game console) grid game with C++ that uses ASCII characters to simulate where stuff is and a player moving from a starting point to a goal. Something I've done before. But, will this fulfill your desire to enact a creative vision? Probably not. The more you have to learn to get started, the harder it's going to be to get to the creative part and that seems to be the part people usually crave as an entry point.

Hope that makes sense!

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 week ago

I would say it's closer to "the US taking the mask off on being fascist" vs. "finding ways to keep the mask on for longer"

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 week ago

Giving citizens access to the outside world would be an interesting thing to see them deal with.

Zero self awareness in people like this. Live in a western alphabet agency bubble of information, but think others are sheltered.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 weeks ago

Too many people believe western media uncritically when it comes to international stuff. The contradictory part is they'll sometimes have skepticism, distrust, or even hatred for one or more major news sources that's focused on their own country's affairs. But when it comes to news about other countries, the same skepticism can be missing.

Before I learned about ML and all that, I was in that place to some extent, I think. But now that I have some idea of what to look for and know a bit more about international affairs and history, it's really obvious how western media narratives about "human rights" are just narratives of convenience. The formula goes something like: "Is X country somewhere we want to prop up against Y country? If yes, X country is a bastion of human rights and Y country eats babies. Does X country actively oppose us? If yes, X country eats turbo evil cereal as mandatory breakfast meals in every citizen's state-mandated bowl."

It's very cartoonish. And I mean I'm not even exaggerating to say it's cartoonish. I think of this video, which was from decades ago, yet is still so on point for the style of propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY

But one thing I'm not sure how to contend with is when people are deep in paranoia about "foreign agents" and "foreign propaganda" kind of thing. I recall one time online trying to show someone that video to make a point about western propaganda and they straight up refused to watch it. IIRC, they were also someone who had come into the convo thinking I was a Chinese shill or something, but weren't open about thinking that right away, so I naively attempted some good faith stuff at first.

The kind of thinking where anything that contradicts the existing narrative must be coming from "the enemy" "in secret" is such a disturbing thing. I think, would hope, most of us here don't fall into that trap of thinking. For example, even something as straightforward as anti-imperialism is not binary good/evil; there can be countries run by factions that are not empowering the working class, the marginalized among their people as a system of power, but are nevertheless an important force of opposition against the western empire, against foreign capital and its exploitation.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure he's been showing visible signs of cognitive decline since 2020 elections. The sad part for people who aren't genocidal imperialists, is I'm not sure how much it matters either way. Supposing that he's not all there, a clear-minded Biden would likely be making much the same decisions, considering his past record in politics. So either way, he's still a piece of shit doing immense harm, whether he's all there mentally doing it or he's somewhat of a stand-in for it by this point.

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I'm not sure how else to put it. As an example, someone who cares about issues of LGBTQIA+, but when it comes to issues of capitalism pushing exploitative practices in video games, they are siding against the player and doing the "it's on you how you spend" shtick.

I suppose another way to frame this would be "how do you deal with selective empathy?" Because that seems to be how it in some cases, that the person cares about the thing that personally impacts them, but otherwise, they'll side with the exploiter in a heartbeat.

It disgusts me when I see it in action, so much so I almost wrote this as a rant post in the comradelyrants section instead. But I feel it's a topic that deserves more discussion attention than that.

In general, the mindset that goes something like:

"So this company dropped some spikes on the sidewalk."

"Well I think if somebody stepped on them, that's on them. It's really obvious that they are there and I went out and walked just fine and had a good time, I just walked on the grass to get around the spikes."

The implication: individuals should be expected to change their lives to accommodate the careless, dangerous, or otherwise predatory behavior of others and if they don't, it's their fault.

Like what kind of poor excuse for humanity is this stuff.

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If there's already been discussion on this at length that someone knows of, feel free to link me.

I've been thinking this over because it's one of those recurring talking points that comes up. I may have even talked about it here before in passing, but I don't remember for sure.

But I wanted to talk about the core of how BS it is and the main way I see it get used. Which is that of someone saying "my [relative] lived in [socialist state] and fled it", or they will leave out the first part and just say "people lived in [socialist state] and fled it." And then the implication or outright stated, "Why aren't you taking this as proof that communism bad? Clearly communism bad!"

The primary way I've seen people counter this is pointing out that those who were fleeing were sometimes, well... members of the former exploiting class. Which is true.

But I'm not sure the talking point is even worth entertaining to that degree. Because like:

  1. As far as I've seen, nobody provides actual hard numbers on people "fleeing communism" relative to other situations where people flee a conflict or just leave a country to go to another one in general. In fact, it's often an anecdotal claim about a single person: "My relative."

  2. Is there even such a thing as a major conflict/upheaval in a country at scale where it was possible for people to flee and nobody fled? Like big change can be scary and it's always going to be somewhat disruptive of status quo, even if it's an overall benefit going forward. Not to mention major changing of hands of power usually involves some violence.

So this leads me to: what is supposed to be different about communism that makes people "fleeing it" special? I've yet to see any explanation on that and so it makes me think that may be a point to push back on with people. That rather than even talking about the nature of why, first ask how it is supposed to be a special kind of "fleeing".

And also, when it's purely anecdotal, asking why they are supposed to be taken seriously over the opinions of the millions (or more) of people who make up X socialist state. In that regard, it sounds a lot like the "one of my closest friends is [racial minority] trope" in that they are sort of implying the people are monolithic and one or a few can speak for all of them.

Thoughts?

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 2 months ago

I think they are confused. "Voting with your wallet" has never been effective, but it's also not what a boycott is. "Vote with your wallet" is a trite individualist adage that encourages people to ignore any kind of organized or sustained activity in opposition to what a corporation does and instead silently go their own way, without comment or explanation; the whole spirit of the adage in pretty much every time I've seen it used is to discourage people from speaking out or putting real energy into change and instead, to put it one way, "letting their wallet speak for them." Boycotting means putting on sustained, at least (loosely) organized pressure. A boycott doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether you personally like the product (it could even be your favorite thing); "vote with your wallet" does and is often centered around personal preferences. A boycott is meant to effect change and can do so via sustained numbers of people at it with shared vocalized intent making something untenable as a business decision; "vote with your wallet" is anarcho-capitalist "chaotic and random individual choices will regulate the market" delusion.

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[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 69 points 2 months ago

Then there's the part where they are so deep in paranoia and racism they think you are a foreign spy if you say anything sympathetic about the country. (I actually had this happen to me once online.)

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More specifically, this is about people bothsidesing the ongoing genocide that zionists are committing, but I titled it more generally because this is something that can be difficult to deal with in general.

In the past, I've tried to be diplomatic and meet people where they're at, slowly imparting information where I can and presenting my views where I feel able to. I rarely actually get worked up about these things in person and am generally able to go through it with people patiently, but this is something that is really pushing me to my limits.

I think what is most galling to me about it, that I find as a theme in liberal thinking and struggle to be patient with at times, is the arrogance of it. I put a lot of time into these things, time that they clearly haven't put in, only to have them speak to me about it as if their position is equal and worthy of listening to simply because it is theirs. As if we are exchanging views on our favorite TV show.

I will be plain too, in saying that, quite frankly, it hurts. On top of everything else, it hurts to see someone you love and trust be clinging to talking points that confuse, downplay, or otherwise misunderstand a horrifying ongoing genocide.

These are people who I know mean well because I've known them my whole life and I know what kind of compassion they have, which makes it all the more disturbing to see them speaking in such a way. It illustrates how critical and influential propaganda is. But knowing that doesn't inherently make me more effective at getting people to cross that threshold from "nice" liberal to person who understands the world as more than imperialist talking points.

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My instinct is that the first (hero complex) would tend to lead someone to adventurism, but I'm not super clear on what the second (collectivist mindset) looks like in practice. Having grown up in the US, where individualist seems to be pushed to an extreme degree and collectivism equated to being a hivemind, it's a bit difficult sometimes for me to understand what collectivism looks like in practice.

Where it gets especially difficult for me, and why I thought to come ask here where people may be able to help with the distinction, is that I have people-pleasing tendencies to a degree that seems unhealthy; in the sense of not valuing my own needs and boundaries to the extent that it's difficult for me to be properly equipped to help others in the first place. In the vague land of hypotheticals, I get that difference; ok, I make sure I am taken care of to the extent that I can function effectively and then I can help others, right?

But in practice, where does this line make sense for a more collectivist effort, is I think the question I'm trying to get at so that I can point in an effective direction in practice, without either: 1) Slipping toward individualist thinking in order to satisfy criteria of being "less of a people-pleaser" or 2) In the other direction, using collectivist goals as a means to feed existing people-pleasing tendencies (and forgetting to value myself in the process).

As it is, conditions are not always as clean as in the hypothetical. Getting needs met can be multifaceted and take significant time. Could the problem here be that I'm just lacking strong examples to learn from in my life? I don't know.

But I put the question to you. Hope this makes sense.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 months ago

Nothing to make flying feel safe like an airplane quality whistleblower being unalived.

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