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‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 2 months ago by pete_link@lemmy.ml to c/palestine@lemmy.ml

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Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well idk how Harris can possibly think that videos of her being “slay” and “brat” will fool people who are against genocide into siding with her. It’s very fucked up and Trump is going to be much worse for domestic politics, but I think at this point Arabs have nothing to lose. Also I don’t think many of them would for Trump, they’d rather vote third party or not at all.

Seeing yourself dehumanized on a daily basis by the current administration I wouldn’t give a shit either. They have already shown what they stand for and they promised to continue. If the dems lose against Trump, it’s their own fault. They know what to do, they need to stop the genocide, but they won’t and Arab voters see that.

Trump is gonna suck but that dipshit only cares about money and personal flattery, which adds the element of unpredictability. He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden because he won’t give a shit about Palestinians, but any random shit could happen that makes him do a u-turn. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s the only good thing I could see coming out of this.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden because he won’t give a shit about Palestinians

Biden also does not give a shit about Palestinians. I don't know how anyone can watch the happenings of the last year and come away with the idea that Biden gives a single shit about Palestinians.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah you’re absolutely right and I actually never meant to say that Biden gives any shit about Palestinians, I just formulated this in a stupid way. Maybe this is a better formulation:

He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden. But while he also won’t give a shit about Palestinians, any random shit could happen that makes him do a u-turn. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s the only good thing I could see coming out of this.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

true, I agree! he's very unpredictable. apologies for coming off as aggressive, I think everyone is running at very high tensions these days.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

All good I totally get it, didn’t feel like it was an aggressive comment and you were right to clarify that part.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Damn, that's fucked up, sounds like the democrats should do something other then support genocidal states if they want that support so desperately.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

the stark contrast between the .world version of this post and this one makes me doubt that the lemmyverse has any stamina.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

It's becoming multipolar, with right-wingers on the Lemmy.world side and left wingers on the Lemmy.ml side, and the various instances aligned with each and neither. The Lemmy.world moderators are also Zionists that allow hasbara but censor comments that show the complicity of the Democrats in genocide as "misinformation."

[–] pete_link@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

You mean the reaction (downvotes) in the .world instances, right?

I think the contrast reflects the real diversity of opinions, and not lack of stamina. Of course I am disappointed with the downvotes and the hostile comments to anything that might oppose Harris. But the level of discourse in Lemmy is a lot better than Twitter, FB, etc.

So I'm going to keep posting these to as many communities as I can. :-)

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I agree that .world is problematic especially that Zionist “bias” checker bot and their tolerance of hasbara comments & genocide denial. But also I got banned for “racism” at !worldnews@lemmy.ml for saying China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs…

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I'd recommend doing a search on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, or hexbear on that. The only countries that have been pushing this line, are the countries that bomb muslims, and refuse to visit the region.

Muslim countries themselves, and the rest of the world, all of whom have sent delegations, deny that a genocide is occurring.

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[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Because Trump is so likely to be a better choice for solving the Israel-Gaza crisis, lol.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago

When you can't even call it a genocide of Gazans by Israel you should rethink whether you should even comment.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Good thing no one is making that argument then.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Nobody said that, neither choice is going to solve it so it's better to abandon both if genocide is a red line for you.

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[–] simplymath@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Who the fuck said anything about Trump? Not sure why you think people dying from American bombs give a fuck about who sent them.

Can you crawl out of your narrow worldview for just a second and recognize that real people are experiencing a real genocide?

That's not some Russian propaganda spin either, but recognized by the ICJ.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I agree there's a horrific genocide taking place, aided by the USA, and all Americans should be ashamed of this. But to be fair, the headline indicates these voters will vote against Harris. Either that's a vote for Trump or a vote for a third party. Either way it increases trump's likelihood of being elected.

[–] simplymath@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ok? There's a simple solution here for the democrats.

Let's not engage in victim blaming here and recognize who has power to end this and who is exercising their right to express their profound and utter disappointment in a political system that is, at best, ambivalent to their suffering.

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Democrats chose this hill to die on, not the voters.

You know what it’s called when voters aren’t allowed to vote for the candidate they desire?

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

This one weird trick will make white libs cry.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (33 children)

"will vote against Harris" (read: for trump, because that is how our trash elections work) "Neither side will do the right thing on the genocide...so we will elect the one with the worst position and get a bonus of bringing about all manner of horrible outcomes here at home too!"

Alrighty, it's your vote. MAGA uses it to make emotionally driven decisions based on ignorance for outcomes that hurt themselves and those around them, it is fair to let these well-meaning clowns join them in that. Our very own blueMAGA. I hope you lose in a mind-shattering crushing defeat, and then Kamala proves you all wrong. I have my doubts on the last bit, but if y'all can be stupid enough to vote for trump, I can be the same to hope for unlikely change (with the benefit of not also supporting suffering here too).

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[–] SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You should educate yourself by reading The Problem of Political Leadership in the Formation and Development of the Nation and the Modern State in Italy from Gramsci's Prison Notebooks and studying trasformismo in Italian history instead of infantilizing an entire marginalized group over their justified stance against the system currently genociding their friends and family 👍 trust me, you'll learn a lot about our current political situation.

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