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After Saturday’s surprise attack by the Palestinian group Hamas on Israel, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy took to the social media platform X to offer “condolences go out to everyone who lost relatives or close ones in the terrorist attack”.

He also stated, “Israel’s right to self-defence is unquestionable.”

Many world leaders, including US President Joe Biden and UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, shared similar sentiments.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen stated, “Israel has the right to defend itself – today and in the days to come. The European Union stands with Israel.”

Accusations of Western ‘double standards’ Some social media users have criticised these statements, saying they highlight a double standard.

Ukraine’s right to defend itself is praised by most international leaders while Russia’s invasion is condemned, but commentators said the same cannot be said about Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.

Aaron Bastani, a leftist British journalist, said on X that there’s a “clear double standard in endorsing terrorism against civilian targets in Ukraine … and condemning it by Palestinians”.

An illustration of a woman’s face, in which one eye is closed beside a Palestinian flag, and one eye open beside a Ukrainian flag, has been regularly shared as a symbol of the West’s alleged double standards in how the two conflicts are viewed.

Clips also emerged on social media from a CNN interview with Mustafa Barghouti, the general secretary of the Palestinian National Initiative, in which he posed the rhetorical question, “Why does the United States support Ukraine in fighting occupation – while here they support the occupier, who continues to occupy us?”

It is not the first time Western nations have been accused of double standards in their stance on the Ukraine war.

Earlier in the year, Amnesty International published a report highlighting the West’s “double standards” on global human rights.

Agnes Callamard, Amnesty’s secretary-general, told Al Jazeera at the time that the occupation of Palestinian territory was a “particularly important one”.

“Without making any comparison between Russia’s aggression and Israel … it is clear the Palestinian people are under a regime of oppression – a regime of occupation and a regime of apartheid,” Callamard told Al Jazeera.

Over the last three days, X users recirculated earlier statements calling out what they called Western hypocrisy, sharing video by the Irish lawmaker Richard Boyd Barrett from March 2022 in which he berated the Irish government’s double standards regarding Ukraine and Palestine:

“You’re happy to use the most strong and robust language to describe the crimes against humanity of [Russian President] Vladimir Putin, but you will not use the same strength of language when it comes to describing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.”

Barrett on Sunday again called out what he described as “shocking double standards of Western leaders supporting Ukraine resistance but condemning Palestinian[s].”

Meanwhile, others warned against comparing conflicts.

And some cautioned that Hamas and the Palestinians should not be seen as one and the same.

Ukrainian footballer Oleksandr Zinchenko, who plays for Arsenal, posted on Instagram, stating he “stands with Israel”.

Zinchenko has been a vocal supporter of his home country in its ongoing defence against Russia, and he participated in a Game4Ukraine charity match in London earlier this year to raise money for Ukraine.

After online backlash, with some questioning an alleged double standard in his support of Israel, the footballer removed the post and switched his social media account to private.

Several people claimed that Zinchenko’s football club, in not responding to his comments, was guilty of hypocrisy after they had distanced themselves from former player Mesut Ozil’s comments in 2019 over alleged human rights abuses against Uighur Muslims in China.

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I don't really care what the government of Qatar, and by that, I mean Al-Jazeera, thinks is hypocrisy.

[–] Tarzan9192@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't know much about this conflict until I did a deep dive last night. I can never abide killing innocent people. But after having learned the history and context behind the Palestine/Israel conflict during the better part of the 20th century up to now...it is hard to imagine a more desperate situation than what the Palestinians are in today. Given what I've learned, I can't support Israel, and I am sickened that my government gives so much money each year to this apartheid state to continue their oppressive practices. Hamas seems to me, a symptom of a much deeper problem that Britain started and rhe West/Israel perpetuate. This didn't happen in a vacuum.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is Israel supposed to do about Gaza when the Gazan people pick genocidal monsters to lead them, and then let them make brutal attacks on innocent people?

[–] Tarzan9192@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk, but giving them political representation and allowing them to return to their homeland seems like it would be a start. For all practical purposes, Gaza is no more than a prison city. Imagine if we cordoned off Manhattan and blockaded the island, leaving it with no official police force or autonomy over basic utilities. Then dropped bombs whenever we felt like. What recourse do the people of Gaza have? Peace didn't work, violence doesn't work...are they just supposed to be subjugated like this forever? If you watch the content that does come out of Gaza, most of the people there seem like they are just trying to survive under a constant fear of bombardment.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think allowing people who elect Hamas as their government into Israel proper is a good idea. We have seen what happens when that happens.

[–] Tarzan9192@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point is...when you make people desperate enough...what else can be expected but violence? Palestine, and Gaza I particular...seem to have no other recourse, other than Israel just deciding to right the wrongs that have been done of their own volition. A decision they have clearly gone the other way on since the 90s at least.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And my point is, if you support genocidal terrorists who relentlessly attack the people in practical control of your fate, you're going to have a bad time. It's called biting the hand which feeds you.

I am far more sympathetic to the people of the West Bank, who have put Fatah in charge of things. Fatah is much more moderate. Hamas? No good person could support them. There's no path to peace until Hamas is killed by the people of Gaza. That's the choice they have to make.

[–] Tarzan9192@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I understand, conditions in the West Bank are not as bad as in Gaza. Though the Palestinians living there still have little to no rights under Israeli law. I also think expecting unarmed civilians to overthrow a violent terrorist regime is a little naive. I doubt every person living in Gaza is a supporter of Hamas, as it seems the group only makes life harder for them in the long run. But again, it would seem they have nobody else to turn to. Personally, if I were living in Gaza under constant fear of getting blown to shit without warning, I'd grow to hate my oppressors as well. Who wouldn't? I reiterate, Hamas seems to be a symptom of a human rights problem that is perpetuated by Israel and ignored/enabled by the Western World at large.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas is the government of Gaza. If I was a Gazan, I might hate Israel, too, but I wouldn't support Hamas, which has as its mission a genocide of all Israelis. I would also understand that for any chance of peace, opposing genocidal monsters is absolutely essential.

There is no solution to the problem of what to do with Gaza until Hamas is dead. And no people can choose to make that happen until the Gazans choose to stop supporting them. Until that happens, the most reasonable course of action for Israel is to deny Hamas the means to murder Israeli civilians.

[–] Tarzan9192@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bombing innocent civilians in Gaza seems like it will only incite more otherwise non-radical people to join Hamas. Where are Palestinians supposed to go when the bombs drop? No iron dome defense on their side. Toward the walls? The sea? I'm willing to bet Hamas will only be weakened when the Israeli government starts recognizing Palestinians as humans with equal rights and stops treating them as undesirables in their own land.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They should probably get Hamas to stop hiding behind those innocent civilians, then. FAFO.

[–] Tarzan9192@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt the people of Gaza have much sway over what armed extremists choose to do or not do unless they wanna get killed themselves. In any case, I'd like to see Western governments stop sending funds and arms to Israel when it's just going to use them to kill and further subjugate innocent people without actually attempting to actually solve the underlying problem.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

They elected Hamas in the first place, my dude

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is Palestine supposed to do about Israel when the Israeli people pick genocidal monsters to lead them, and then let them make brutal attacks on innocent people?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Odd kind of genocide, which doesn't involve genocide. Lmfao

Israel isn't pushing for genocide. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to make of the Netanyahu regime without openly lying about their goals.

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Take a walk out of your media bubble one day. You’d be amazed.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uhh, I do, I just tend to ignore state propaganda like Al Jazeera, RT, VOA, etc. For obvious reasons lmfao

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which propaganda do you prefer ?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Step outside your media bubble sometime.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Oh you really got him...

Honestly? All of them, in addition to as many objective sources as possible. That way you can see which sources are trying to push the narrative in which direction.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In this case they're right, though. Broken clocks and whatnot, y'know.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, did the Ukrainians just start bombing the shit out of Moscow unprompted?

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ukraine made it a point to not sink to atrocities for precisely the reason that you've demonstrated. And please don't misunderstand, I do not condone Hamas' campaign and can't see it ending at all well for the Palestinian people. But Ukraine and Hamas are not the actual relevant comparison here. Russia and Israel are. The fact is that the Israeli government has, depending on your charitability, been anywhere from willfully ignorant to actively complicit in the exact same sort of ethnic cleansing that Russia is doing in the Donbas, only the Zionists have been at it for decades. And yet while the West has taken action to hurt Russia and force them to end their aggression, they've never held Israel to the same standard.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see how. Ukraine isn't comparable to Palestine. In fact, the local authority whose attitude is most similar to the Russian government is Hamas.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't see how Israeli Zionists violating nominally Palestinian territory to engage in ethnic cleansing is comparable to Russian revanchists violating Ukrainian territory to engage in ethnic cleansing? Just because Hamas are assholes doesn't make Israel the good guys here, and the failure to acknowledge this is what drives the accusation of hypocrisy.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I don't think Israel smells like roses. But when compared to Hamas, they do.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And that somehow makes it okay for the Palestinian people to get ethnically cleansed?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Odd kind of ethnic cleansing, given that Israeli Arabs aren't getting deported

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What else would you call the progressive displacement of Palestinians, effectively enforced at gunpoint, from their own territory by Zionists?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Something which hasn't happened in Gaza since 2005, when every settlement was closed and the Israeli army left?

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hypocrisy doesn’t even come close.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I recommend reading the major points from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

I didn't know much about the history. Definitely complex, and my overall impression is that both sides have committed atrocities and this won't end without catastrophic social and political change for all parties :(

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I guess this double standards rethoric is pure and plain russian propaganda, they are the only ones stupid enough to not understand the differences between both conflicts. Hypocrisy was shouting our fucking mouths and leaving Armenia behind.

[–] Hubi@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago