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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago

Ukraine is facing an existential threat. If they have the in-house knowledge and capability to do this, they absolutely should.

If Russia gives up tomorrow, the war will be over. If Ukraine gives up tomorrow Ukraine will be over.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine is the only country in the world that has the full moral authority to develop nuclear weapons. We are the only country to give up nukes and look where that got us.

That being said “moral authority” isn’t worth shit in this world.

South Korea, Poland and the Baltic nations should honestly try and develop their own nukes too.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Viewing the situation in the Middle East, all of those treaties and beaurocracy amount to dick all. Defend yourself, Ukraine.

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Use? Absolutely not. Manufacture and stockpile? Absolutely. The sad state of world affairs at the moment seems to be that this is the one and only guaranteed deterrent.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

I’m no expert, but it just feels like dropping nukes on Russia is a good way to get WWIII.

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 13 points 4 days ago

At this point it might be their only option to be secure from invasion. I mean look at North Korea they're still there. No nukes is becoming like no flag.

[–] catharso@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, test them on ukrainian soil first, so that russians know that the stakes have risen.

If you lop em over there without warning they'd have "no choice" other then to completely nuke ukraine in retaliation.

[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's actually not too crazy of an idea. A large part of land is mined and basically unusable for a long while and modern nukes are way less and way shorter radioactive. Blasting away a large part of Russian soldiers at once would send a big message.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

just out of curiosity, would a nuke blow up most of the mines? like 90% or more?

maybe it's hard to know, but this is just a thought experiment

[–] TaTTe@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Depends on the size of the area you're considering. In some area, one nuke would blow up 100% of the mines. But in some other, larger, area, it would only blow up 50%.

But to be fair, using nukes to clear mines is probably one of the least effective methods considering all the collateral damage on villages, fields and nature.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, open the floodgates, what could go wrong?

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Easy to say from the sidelines

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

The next time a nuclear weapon is used, none of us will be on the sidelines:

In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee on February 6, 2018, then–Secretary of Defense James Mattis stated “I do not think there is any such thing as a tactical nuclear weapon. Any nuclear weapon used any time is a strategic game changer.” Russian leaders have made clear that they would view any nuclear attack as the start of an all-out nuclear war.