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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The Democrats need to fuck off and let us speak for ourselves.

Sorry, they had their chance. Running culture wars with Nazis doesn't progress the government, it's just wasted time.

We can't spend another four years pretending lgbtq+ messages trickled in through Disney and mainstream media have any effect on society's opinions towards the left, or society at all, and in some cases, it's all the right thinks of us.

We need to go back to being the party of unions, workers, fair wages, and the planet, with social justice tagged on for the ride, rather than the main event. The common American doesn't speak trans, or minority, or fairness.

They speak $. The vote speaks for it. There is no better man to appeal to beyond the bottom line. We know humanity's depths at this point. Work with it.

[–] wavebeam@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Is this father of dropout.tv’s Sam Reich, Robert Reich?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The anti-war movement in this country has been decimated, but the majority of people in this country do not want war. The national electorate has consistently voted for who they believe to be the least hawkish candidate.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democrats need to drop out and let an actually serious party take over

[–] ntma@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My investments would take a major hit if that did happen. So we're not going to be doing that.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

This is Lemmy. You can't be that subtle.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 61 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Correct, Biden just cozying up to Trump when he should be using emergency powers to arrest this madman who under the 14th Amendment isn't even eligible to be President was absolutely sickening to me.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Right so... "let's do the thing the fascist threatens to do because we're right and it's justified" is not the same thing as the fascist saying "we'll do it because we're right and it's justified".

Easy to justify the means when you believe in the ends... but of course every one thinks they are right and that everyone else will come to believe they are right, thusly conveniently avoiding any bad consequences.

Do you have any idea what would have happened if Biden just arrested Trump?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Not arresting this man the second the Supreme Court gave Joe the opportunity will end with millions dead, we both know that.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not arresting this man the second the Supreme Court gave Joe the opportunity will end with millions dead, we both know that.

I think millions is an exaggeration but it's also pretty irrelevant whether it's a 1000 or 1 million, it's gonna be very very bad. I'm very sympathetic to this argument and in a whishy hopey kinda way would have loved to see it happen...

But: the SC ruling doesn't allow a president to act with impunity. It's way more complicated than that.

It states that a president has "absolute immunity" for actions "within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority" and "presumptive immunity" for all official acts. The complete shitstorm that would follow an arrest of Trump "for reasons" would include significant debate about which one of these it was. I have to think that "because he will do bad things and for reasons" is going to push this to the second classification at best. And at that point a whole lot of lawyers are going to be working overtime to show that "applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no “dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.”

(Opinion here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf)

It would end up in the Supreme Court. What do you think would happen then? The SC would rule that Biden did not act appropriately and Trump would be released. I don't have a lot of faith in running out the clock on him running or any other "good" outcome.

[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We would get the inevitable civil war even sooner

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

It's not inevitable at all.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Do you have any idea what would have happened if Biden just arrested Trump?

If he would've done it early in his term, I suspect Trump would not have been elected president again. But instead he pushed the idea through some absurdly bureaucratic system that allowed Trump to run the clock out on everything.

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[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (28 children)

Breaking the rules isn't fascism though. Fascism is fascism.

What do you think is a more ethical choice:

a) uphold the law, knowing it will let fascist come to power and kill thousands

a) break the law and stop him

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

"The establishment party must become an anti-establishment party"

Have you all learned nothing from 2016? Democrats will rather let Trump win that let this happen.

The slide to the right is no accident nor is it ignorance. Fool me once...

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[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

lol, why would they do that?

They’ve got 4 years of donations thanks to Trump. Democrats never learn and will always pour money into an issue instead of actually solving it.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Going further right didn't help, now we need to go as left as possible

Radical ideas like Universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, free child care, taxing the rich.

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Radical ideas the rest of the 1st world had had for 50 years and successfully implemented.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ok, and white must become black.

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