I also think the "confusion" of fediverse is overblown. People aren't confused. First adopters who don't want to be screamed at by flying squid aren't telling friends and family to join.

The people here and their attitude towards people who don't agree with them are the problem.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The people here and their attitude towards people who don’t agree with them are the problem.

And that's a structural problem. The ActivityPub was supposed to allow both the "average person" and the "nerd" to coexist in the same platform, without one getting too much in the way of the other; it doesn't.

I'm not sure on a good solution for that.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They don't coexist peacefully in life, why would they do it here?

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

My nerd and techy friends, even the more progressive ones, do just fine in most places.

Lemmy has the extremist and most angry.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 22 hours ago

They tolerate each other enough to get each into a corner and not interact much.

And yet that is not what we see in the Fediverse. Those "corners" don't exist here.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But your normie friends and family would fit in a lot better if they simply read some T H E O R Y.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For many people, learning things and reading are anathema.

[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

i just learned that word a few hours ago!

[–] kbal@fedia.io 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky: You are immediately and automatically welcomed into the warm embrace of an algorithm that entices you into a parasocial relationship with the synthetic community it has created.

Mastodon: If you're lucky you'll stumble across a warm welcome for new users explaining how posts are called toots here, likes are called florps, and our version of Grok is called Garfiald.

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

But that's not true for Bluesky. The only feed that you see when newly registering is the Following feed which is chronological.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

That's not how it was as of yesterday when I signed up just to see what all the fuss was about. (I don't think I'll be participating.)

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, you signed up yesterday and determined, “an algorithm that entices you into a parasocial relationship with the synthetic community” all on your own?

It’s not any of that…

But If what it truly is, isn’t for you, that’s fine too.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

And then there's Lemmy, where you can always count on some helpful stranger who's completely missed the point chiming in to tell you why you're wrong.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

No you are wrong about that.

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 22 hours ago

Ok true, I think I forgot that you also see the Discover feed? But you can just remove that from your feeds and add any feed you like or just use the Following feed.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's all fun and games until venture capital kicks in, and exploits that central user data store to further centralise the rest of the network. Even then yes, I think that Mastodon has a lot to learn with Bluesky, on how to make user experience smoother.

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

eg: G Mail

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Or I think you know, users are going to have to get over themselves because they are currently going from centralized platform to centralized platform to supposedly decentralized platform. Eventually, maybe one day they will figure out that platforms do not work and protocols are what people should be using.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 3 points 21 hours ago

I get what you say, and I agree; but when it comes to the average user I wonder if they'll even get it. They don't think on the grounds of a "protocol" or a "platform", it used to be "site" and now "app". They do it even with email, of all things, even if it's one of the oldest cross-platform protocols out there!