I’ve yet to have a job where my boss does less work than their employees. Is this common?
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this is clearly the view of someone who has never been in a management position
The boss is the owner, not the manager, in this instance.
In that case I basically agree. The majority shareholder and CEO of where I work doesn't do much. To be fair he is like 70 but to be fair he still makes about an order of magnitude more than I do.
Yes, in just about every blue collar job. The CEO does not do as much work as the order selector in a warehouse, as much work as the undocumented migrant workers on the lines in the factory, or as much work as the cooks in a restaurant to give a few examples. Anyone that's worked in those industries knows what I'm talking about.
Is "work" only boxes stacked or nuts bolted? Does all work have the same value?
No, not all work necessarily has the same value.
But the value of some kinds of work has been wildly overinflated compared to others.
And even then, all work done should return enough to live off of.
Are you working exclusively for startups?
Nope. The issue is the conflating of "boss" and "the business". My boss does plenty of work. On average, my boss does as much work as I do, some days more, some days less.
My boss is also an employee whose excess value is siphoned off by the business in the form of corporate profits.
Most "bosses" are also someone else's employee and I think people often forget that....at least here on lemmy. If the OP meant CEO they should have said that. Unless you're a senior VP your boss is probably not the CEO of a giant corporation, your boss is probably just some guy trying to survive just like you.
And beyond that, the CEO is usually also an employee, just one that is usually well positioned to benefit from structural defects in the system.
The system is setup such that the exploitation, lesser or greater, is structural, rather than always able to be traced to an individuals choices or actions.
Even in a "perfect" company, where everyone makes the best choice available to them, the system is built such that people just can't get a fair deal in anything except for the rarest of circumstances.
Yeah, you're right. When I first saw "Boss" I thought of CEO.
Not at all.
Is this supposed to be serious or is the term "bro" used so heavily to criticize/call simplistic their take on it?
It's a parody of an ancient meme (knowyourmeme link) where in the original, the rant above is instead "That's my world without you bro."
Also not that it justifies the pay disparity but do people really think there is zero labor involved in management? Cause even then, it comes with a crapton of liability risk under respondeat superior. Not sure everyone wants to be personally sued for every negligent mistake their coworkers make.
Thank you and exactly. I think most people who think managers do no work actually just don't understand managers' jobs (and how much work some people are to manage lol).
The employees who don’t understand managers’ jobs are the ones who are making the managers’ jobs hard.
Doesn't seem to be like it's trying to be 100% accurate but the underlying message it tries to convey is probably serious (that there's a class of people who mostly make money because they have money to own things).
Ah makes sense. As someone deeply and unfortunately entrenched in middle management, I never think of "boss" and "owner" being the same person, and I know for a fact that my boss is working hard as hell lol
Also technically in a management position, but 90% of my work is what I was doing before the promotion and its not that I'm doing less of that stuff (I'm doing more of it). I just have extra responsibilities like more emails and making sure we have supplies. I hope people don't really think of me as a "boss." Given its a small company, my boss is the owner and all the workers were interviewed, hired by, and regularly interact with said person. But I know no one at my job would accuse me of not doing any work.
Sounds exactly like my (and most managers') situation(s). Oh, work...
It's part of the meme template
Thank you bro
np bro
It does have "stoner revelation" vibes.
I mean, you'll never get 100% of the value of your labor unless you freelance or become your own boss, simply because if you did, there would be no incentive for companies to hire you.
No one expects 100% return for labor. They expect fair pay for fair work. The fact is that employee wages have been flat or declining for 50yrs, while productivity has more than doubled and profits gave gone up 5x. Companies are getting 10x out of their workers then they were in the 70s, and paying everyone less.
If the wage line kept going up with the productivity and profit line, people would be chill. When profits go up 23%, exec comp goes up 230% and worker wages go up 2.3%, thats the problem.
I agree with you but I have also seen the prices of the housing market rise while interest rates went down.
Wages can rise or products can become cheaper.
Problem is that resources become scarce. Things out of plastic are cheap. Things out of wood have become much more expensive.
As someone who is a floor manager partly responsible for 50 people if you think "the boss" does nothing take a moment and think about the dumbest cunts you have ever worked with and the dumbest laziest ones you currently work with.
Those people are their problem.
One person can literally eat my whole day by being a jackass for 3 seconds.
take a moment and think about the dumbest cunts you have ever worked with
Yep, they are all managers.
I have worked with some real idiots, people so stupid you wonder how many tries it takes them to get their pants on right. Those guys ain't so bad.
By far the worst people I've worked with are the people who are smart enough to know they're smarter than most, but not so smart as to realize they're pretty fucking stupid. Those people claw their way in to management then make life miserable for as many people as they can, all while thinking they're doing just great.
See I'm a step smarter than those people. Im smart enough to know that I'm a dumb motherfucker. If someone comes to me and says I think you might have made a mistake, Im like "yep, thats definitely possible."
Oh that happens too, on my management team one of us is a hapless idiot.
Yes, 3 glorious, beautiful seconds. I know how to make it look like an accident. I can make it look like someone else. I can bring this entire building to a halt with one simple mistake.
What was that about working this weekend?
Its now mandatory.
My boss works a lot harder than I do. I know he is the exception rather than the rule, but still. The man is working himself into an ulcer and an early grave.
"bUt ThEY tAkE aLl tHE RiSk$!"
i hate it
i mean it's fine but i hate it
Bro
Bro