Honest question: how bad do things have to get in the US for citizens to qualify for refugee status?
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Consider how bad things are in Central America right now and then remember that despite the abject violence currently happening in many countries there right now, the U.S. still harbors deep anti-immigrant sentiments and we regularly turn away people fleeing said violence and return them to the custody of their would-be killers.
Yeah, you won't need an answer to this question when the times comes for us. You'll know, and you'll be willing to get on that boat or airplane leaving for anywhere else even if they aren't accepting refugees or the odds are slim that anywhere else will take you, because the alternative is certain death.
You're probably better off trying to emigrate now rather than waiting for things to get worse, if you are in a position where you can make that choice. Some people make their livings preying upon those who are desperately seeking an escape, so it's a bargain right now to leave for the cost of a plane ticket and whatever elbow grease you need to put in to achieve citizenship abroad.
My grandparents were holocaust survivors and what you just said is all I've been thinking about the last couple weeks, few months really. I keep imagining I went back in time to Berlin 1932 and have a chat with the family. They're gone now but I'm 100% convinced they would tell me to fucking run. I've got the opportunity and means right now the get the fuck out while the getting is good. It's something I've wanted to do for a while now anyway. People migrate all the time with nothing but the shirt on their backs, and I can do significantly better. Worst case, I come back in a few years with some more international experience. Best case...well...best case is still a pretty bad scenario, because it means I made the right decision, which means..bad stuff..
take a look at your neighbors houses.
are they on fire or being raided yet?
no? not yet.
Even then, it's a tossup. We've all seen how refugees are treated.
It's a scale thing.
one house on fire, it's ok.
one house being raided, it's ok.
five houses being raided and four houses on fire, time to gtfo.
Unless those are non-white houses being raided or set on fire, then it's business as usual on 'murica
You obviously don't know white people.
When I was buying my house, I came for a tour of the home, as you do when purchasing a home.
Within three minutes of us showing up, walking in with the realtor, the police were outside the house. Not one car though. Three cars, the house was surrounded.
On top of that, it's clear that we were looking to buy the house because of the big for sale sign in the front. And even clearer the fact that it was me, my wife, our three-year-old son, my brother-in-law, my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, and the realtor.
Evidently the next door neighbor decided to call the police when they saw us because they thought we were robbing the place.
Who the fuck robs an empty house with six adults and a baby?
Let's just say, I wasn't surprised when they put up Trump signs.
Rich white people are afraid of anything outside of their "control".
Wait, the neighbor called the cops on you, and you still bought the place? Dang
Rich white people are afraid of anything outside of their “control”.
I grew up in Santa Fe, NM working as a handyman in Hyde Park and El Dorado and Trés Lagunas and all the "non-native" rich, white areas. After my divorce, i ended up in Cali as a stagehand working for Disney. This statement literally sums up my entire life's professional experience.
This is the first real honest attempt I've made at fleeing the country. I have a contact near the Canadian border, only about 3 hours from me by car, that's willing to host me until I get on my feet. My first visit will be in January.
You and me both. It's been a joke for decades but I ain't laughing. I think we are the first wave. Either we are overreacting and go back whenever if we want, or...well, I don't want to think about the "or" scenario..
I wish luck to you and anybody doing the same. It seems to me like it could benefit Canada to accept the people the US loses. It won’t exactly be the trumpers and domestic terrorists knocking at the door.
I have pretty deep family roots where I am, and I was born into demographics acceptable to the incoming regime, so I probably won’t be going anywhere for now. But it is going to suck watching people get hurt and the country decomposing no matter where I live.
There should be some community-led resource centres to help as well, depending on where you're headed. I know there's been a lot of talk and early organizing on this side to help resource people who need to get out.
That being said, I imagine certain blue states should still be okay for a couple years at least if that's easier.
I've tried a few things and all have ended up dead ends.. I'm stuck :(
I hate things being undecided so I've been a lot more relaxed since the election. Yeah, the asshole won, but at least I know what's going to happen. The anxiety of not knowing was worse than the anxiety of having a racist dipshit in charge, at least for me.
I sympathize a bit. I remember my heart pounding in the lead-up to the election, to the point where I felt ill. Now it's just an endless pit of despair instead of a panic attack.
A racist "dipshit" who plans on declaring emergency so as to round up certain undesirables without any constitutional requirements on their internment conditions, health, or safety.
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Let me make a prediction: I'm not going to be able to make comments and posts after January 6, 2025.
I'll be shot dead, or I'll being detained into a work camp.
It'll take time. Even Hitler didn't immediately manage to implement his genocidal plans once he came into power.
We all have time, but not a lot.
Buy a gun if you don't have one, only you can protect yourself in this country now.
I've been looking into less lethal firearms like the Umarex TR50 or HDX 68 because I can get them more quickly (don't need training/licensing) and if I end up having to use them it's less likely to get police or courts involved, whom I do not trust to be sympathetic, and you shouldn't either. In addition to versions which are colored bright orange to denote low lethality, there are black versions that look like guns at a glance, which may be enough deterrent/intimidation factor to make a brownshirt pause for a moment, during which time you fire pepperballs, which should disable them long enough for you to get away. The TR50 revolver can be loaded with a mix of those and hard pellets which will hurt like hell if aimed properly, and the HDX 68 has a sharp butt which can be jabbed in close quarters if needed.
But--going back to my earlier point--none of this does any good if it's the police themselves or the military coming for you, nor will a conventional weapon help that much in that situation, frankly.
Can't trust myself with a gun. Gonna have to settle for a cripple with an aluminum baseball bat.
Nah, after Jan. 19th. Mango Mussolini takes power on the 20th (MLK Day!).
I was raped last night. I can’t even think. It’s really clear that the world doesn’t want people like me to exist. Apparently they’re sending text messages to LGBT people about reeducation camps now, like they were sending messages about slavery to black folks a week ago.
My heart just breaks hearing this.
The text messages are the absolute worst.
Let's start a movement to egg houses that still have Trump signs hanging, or leave burning bags of dog shit on their doorsteps, or knock over their mailboxes or some other stupid prank wave; it's really the least we can do in solidarity.
You deserve the right to exist as much as anybody else.
Hope you can get the police involved, if possible. Not sure where you're from, but I know small town politics don't always make that a real possibility. Rapists too often get away with their crimes because people are too scared to come forward and that's just the sad reality of the country we live in now.
I'll echo the other commenters - if you can get out of here, do it quickly. America is on a very dark trajectory. Don't let yourself continue to be victimized.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
Well that went 100-20 real quick
What do you think happens to AFABs who are “re-educated?” Lesbians and trans men have experienced correct rape for centuries. There’s an entire porn subreddit dedicated to “dyke breaking.”
It’s just a big contrast between “i was raped” and “they are sending text messages”
My advice to you would be to find a way out
Feeling pretty fucked up over what happened to you, all the more intensified by my first encounter with the phrase "correct rape".
I hope they burn.
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