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The petition is open to all EU resident. The goal is to replace all Windows in all public institution in Europe with a sovereign GNU/Linux.

If the petition is successful it would be a huge step forward for GNU/Linux adoption.

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[–] bustAsh@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (11 children)

My main worry with Linux becoming more popular is that it will be attacked with more malware and viruses. I wouldn't mind though if Linux programmers could come up with better protection.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Linux-based OSes are less uniform than Windows. They could and probably will be targeted, but exploits won't spread because of how many verities they are and how different and incompatible they can be. Some, for example, don't even use the GNU utils and userland.

[–] pound_heap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

This petition is for developing something dubbed "EU-Linux", so if implemented as is will be pretty uniform

[–] gens@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

That is mostly false. Most of the code that faces the network is the same. As is most of the background running code. Linux is still more secure.

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 26 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nope, not Germany. The city of Munich, and it was rolled back because a politician took Microsoft bribes and drank the Microsoft snake oil.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apparently they are back on the Linux train as of 2020, so thats good news.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Until the next corrupt politician... but yeah, let's hope Linux stays, this time around.

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[–] MBM@lemmings.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

National governments should be harder to bribe than local ones, at least. Also harder to get them to adopt it in the first place though.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?

The city of Munich deployed their own custom Linux systems many years ago. But since it wasn't really maintained and updated, the user experience was pretty bad and the city's employees were unhappy. Then Micro$oft lobbyists also came in and made them switch - by threatening to move their German headquarters out of Munich, which would cost the city lots of tax revenue.

https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think that Microsoft lobbyist would have had any traction if the user experience was any decent?

Of course not. They wouldn't have had any reason to switch.

That is the biggest issue with Linux at the moment. It takes more maintenance than Windows. And there are a lot less people with the knowledge to setup and maintain those environments.

At the end of the day, the point of those environments is to allow the user to work in them. But if the user is unable to work properly because of the environment, then that environment must be changed. It is as simple as that.

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[–] fuzzy_feeling@programming.dev 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

https://www.techspot.com/news/102518-windows-microsoft-office-replaced-linux-libreoffice-german-state.html

The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.

Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Then they went back to Linux a few years pater

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (7 children)

No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.

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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Government systems should be locked down and limited.

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[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

afaik Bayern rolled back to Windows after some Microsoft "lobbying"

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

Precisely the city of Munich had its LiMux system.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They then switched back to Linux

[–] hellofriend@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Solution: don't ship a shitty distro. This is the sort of issue that actual IT professionals need final say in. Not the MBAs. Not the politicals. The people who actually know what they're doing. Additionally, years ago Linux was in a much different place. It's really matured into something more suitable for both the average end user as well as professional adoption.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe it's too early in the morning, anyone got a link, I couldn't find any?

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