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[–] Zink@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago

This whole “like a man” thing sounds to me like an extension of the toxic cultural BS where “men” are not just humans with emotions and needs like every other human. It reeks of men who are too scared or ignorant to be self-aware and figure out what life really means to them, and thus they need the people around them (especially the partners) to play along in their power/masculinity fantasy.

What a man needs is to realize he’s just another human, and that for humans happiness and fulfillment can ultimately only come from within. Relationships with others are crucial, and you might even need some medication to get your brain chemistry unfucked, but neither of those are independently going to make you happy with yourself and “feel like a man.”

“A man” can refer to roughly half the adult population. It’s not exactly an exclusive club. Why not leave gender out if it and try to be “a good person” and see where that gets you?

Having the people around you walking on eggshells to keep your manly ego intact, whether it’s out of fear or pity, is the exact opposite of what a good person should strive for. What if the people around you instead trust you, feel safe with you, laugh with you, and are better off with you in their lives?

Source: Am man. Went through some stuff. Figured some things out. Made some things better. Have wife and child who enjoy life.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did the first person just translate "like a man" as "superior to you"? They done failed their own little word game.

[–] unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only if you're completely unwilling to unpack what things like "be a man" and "like a man" generally mean in the anglosphere, and how phrases like that have often been employed to reinforce the worst and most destructive aspects of masculinity.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 day ago

Recent results show this is exactly what is happening.

[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (6 children)

A wife would know exactly what it means and how to do this.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Two people who care about each other will provide all forms of validation and support that someone needs. This is kind of the point of being in a relationship, a partner who makes you feel like [insert thing you want to feel like] when you need it, and you give that validation back to them as they require it.

We seem to have gone severely off-course when we started expecting a world full of uncaring strangers to give us all kinds of validation for things.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When first reading "a man likes to feel like a man", i thought it was about trans men

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 day ago

Lol yeah I've never heard an adult male say this so that's the route I was going down too

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

As a biological male and someone who identifies as a man, it's pretty weak, IMO, to need someone else to make you feel a particular way.

Are you in control of your feelings, or do you constantly need someone else to reinforce, or induce a feeling in you?

Personally, I'm in control of my feelings, and bluntly, nobody else has control over me. Neither for how I feel, or what I think/do; with the only exception to what I do being governed in part by legality. Eg. If I know a thing isn't legal to do, then I won't do that thing. Beyond the rule of law, I do, think, say, and feel, whatever, and however I want.

To me, having that much control over my own self is what makes me a person living in a free country. Anyone who does not have the ability, like I do, to think, feel, do, and love, whomever and, whatever they want, is someone who I want to support in gaining that right.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The idea of controlling your feelings seems laughable. If you have control they aren't feelings, just thoughts. You cant really control thoughts either, just control what you do with them. Except we know that humans in general don't have great control of our actions either. We just have to live in this comfortable little lie where we have control over ourselves despite all evidence to the contrary in order to maintain a remotely reasonable society, but it's not real any more than your belief that you control your feelings.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People in general like receiving positive feedback. There is no need to assign feedback to gender roles.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's the perfect answer, IMHO.

More in general, it's not up to others to change the way they act to feed somebody else's self-delusions of having some kind of quality they do not have.

I've actually had to deal with something somewhat parallel to this when I moved from The Netherlands (whose people are known for being blunt) to Britain (were everything is sugarcoated and people are evasive, the higher the social class the worst it gets) and then proceeded to go around unknowingly insulting just about every insecure person I met in that place by giving them my blunt opinion on what they cared about, without evasiveness or sugarcoating.

The balance I found was to stop giving my opinion unless asked and if asked by somebody who didn't know my ways yet, give them a notice ("I used to live in The Netherlands so just point out ways in which things can be improved, but that doesn't mean I think they're bad") and then proceed to give them my blunt opinion.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Or maybe we are just sick and tired of fighting the world and don’t want that kind of drama at home with our partner.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 143 points 1 day ago (5 children)

How to really feel like a man

  1. Ignore gender wars bait, there are way more important things out there.
  2. See step 1
[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, first time hearing "a man wants to feel like a man"

My first interpretation was a bunch of guys fighting with sticks and everyone having a blast

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Are you male? The phrase is primarily said to women which might be why you're unfamiliar with it if so.

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[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 166 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Strong people build others up. Weak people knock them down to feel big. You want to feel like a strong man? Protect others and be generous with your spirit.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but none of this is misandry.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Check the usernames. Someone that claims misandry as their identity is just spreading it.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Just change King to also say man.

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[–] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just don't cast shit on a man that's had enough of it from his work or society. Sometimes we just want to feel human.

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