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[–] SeanBrently@lemm.ee 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think of myself as a neutodivergent person but I am annoyed by neurodivergent people who act like everything is binary yes/no black/white full volume/absolute silence. Like, everyone in the world knows that the gas pedal in the car is not an on/off switch and believe it or not but other things in life are like that.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Black and white thinking is pretty common in ASD though isn't it?

[–] SeanBrently@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and this is why it's a disorder and can be a disability despite people saying things like "autism is my super power ". It's not funny when strict rigid thinking runs up against fluid reality. People make absolute rules in their heads and when the real world doesn't align with those rules they can suffer real distress.

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't consider myself neurodivergent but I do consider this issue one of the greatest barriers with my finding employment. I was raised to despise lying, and enough bad experiences have made me consider 'massaging the truth' to be the exact same thing.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Neurotypical people are more "morally flexible." Which sounds like hypocricy and corruption to me. Assume NT's have ultirior motives and it becomes a easier to read between the lines.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Hypocrisy and corruption are easy to breed from that, true. But the NT is also get a nice set of useful tools from it as well, like choosing their battles, and not painting people into corners.

How those tools are used are basically down to core morality and how you want to apply it to your subordinates, co-workers, and management.

I suspect I'm not fully ante and a lot of those lessons were difficult to figure out.

[–] JimboDHimbo@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

So far, the other comments have failed to realize that this is actually some of our thought process and way of adapting to neurotypical norms.

I will say that after I get used to a person's body language and speech patterns, I tend to ease off of assuming ulterior motives (which has bitten me on the ass once or twice).

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

I think this is more true than most would like to think.

Reality is more nuanced than the words with which we describe it. A lot of NT "flexibility" is about recognising that. But, it often spills over into what is, really, lying.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Or we understand that a lot of the criteria is just a wishlist, and as long as you meet a significant chunk of it, the rest can be learned in the job.

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[–] LastoftheDinosaurs@walledgarden.xyz 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Half of the requirements listed aren't even actual requirements; they're just listing their tech stack. For example, if I see NodeJS, I know I'll be deploying web apps, not coding them. I don't even read the requirements most of the time. If the title matches and there's no security clearance required, I'm applying.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

I swear my company has one list of requirements for all jobs. Every time I am part of the hiring process I have to correct it

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even if you don't qualify, job hunting is just throwing your resume to the wall and see what sticks. You got nothing to lose by applying.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You got nothing to lose by applying.

Nothing to lose but your sanity.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

and self esteem when a CV scanning AI sends you an automated rejection e-mail how you're not qualified to work a job that specifically has "no qualifications or experience needed!" written in the listing

logic knows it's bullshit, but man, it still stings to read

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[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ah, the beautiful awful hidden rules of human society...

You see, birds can fly thousands of miles/kilometers across entire continents, surviving through stuff that Mother Nature makes available. No need for bureaucracies, no need for Walmart, no need for "money", no need for "being useful to aviary society", just following the natural and evolutionary flows.

However, for some reason, humans can't do the same, humans need to try and detach themselves from Nature. Yet we can point out exactly what's the reason: the curse of sentience. Once upon a time, Dubito ergo cogito, cogito ergo sum, and humans became their own predators (Homo homini lupus est), yearning for something bigger to save them from themselves... (perhaps some "Leviathan"?)

Suddenly, they conceptualize the "free will", yet they realize that existing, being a being, implies no free will at all. Existential and societal compliance (Derren Brown has good documentaries about the latter), being tangled by an invisible spider web of lies and rules. And because they're alive, they become culprits as if existence was some kind of circle of hell to be faced by those who "dared to exist": "you're alive, so comply with your societal duties!".

So is my body hungry against my will, or it's raining over my body? I need food and shelter. Oh, but there's the catch: I'm supposed to "buy/rent" them, because "there's no such thing as a free lunch". Buying and renting imply money, which implies the need something for its exchange... Some people ("the top 1% of the top 1%, the guys that play God without permission") have golden cradles, oh, shame on me I hadn't one, so I'm supposed to do the alternative thing: dedicate myself to a company's brand, doing my efforts to make the company functional.

But there's another catch: I can't simply "be part of a company", I need to be "hired", but I need to "be qualified" to be hired. Oh, I'm not "qualified" enough in the eyes of their HR? I'm not going to be hired. Am I qualified? I'll going to talk with a "recruiter", which will ask me rhetorical questions ("So why do you want to work for this company?", but I can't answer "to not starve" or "to afford a rent") which I'm supposed to reply in a "proper" way (i.e. pretending, but without being so evident that I'm pretending). I couldn't pretend enough? I'm not hired.

No company is required to hire me, for they're "private properties", so I need to seek another company where I'd "qualify". So I'm supposed to "distribute" my "curriculum vitae" across several job vacancies, waiting which one will "stick first" (as per someone's reply here, in this very thread). Oh, but there's another catch: job vacancy services are only good enough if I paid for them, I'm supposed to pay them in order to my curriculum to really be known to some HR... you know, so I could be "hired" and "work" and exchange my efforts with "money" so I can pay things, such as... job vacancy services. In a nutshell, I need to pay for a service so I can pay for other services. Hey, look, there flies another bird across the skies, unaware of our societal compliance complexities. They came from another country yet they have no visa nor passport! Hey, look, they're eating "freely", how audacious of them!

Apologies for my digression. The obvious shall be told about the society, and neurodivergents (I guess I'm one?) are the ones who can see those obviousnesses and write them as detailed as they can be.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (9 children)

As someone who has read a lot of cvs, i wish more people thought like this. We didn't list the requirements just for fun. Quit wasting people's time by applying for stuff when you don't match the requirements

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 days ago

the hiring managers, senior executives, and especially the owners-- don't give half a flying fuck about the ~~worker drones~~ employees

as such, you're only hurting yourself if you're not telling them what they want to hear out of "principle." fuck that. "principle" won't stop them from tossing you to the winds the instant you become any sort of liability, e.g., prolonged sickness, otj injury, pregnant, etc

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Unfortunately this did not pan out for me at all when I tried to move out of IT support. Now I make fries and sandwiches (I don't even make them, I just put the toppings on). If possible I'll probably do this til I die, not cuz I love it, but because I never want to go through with the job application process ever again.

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