Why not simply make fees proportional to income? For parking and other traffic infractions.
this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2024
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Some places do. Wish more did though.
Because the real asshole money hoarders don't make a big income and store their funds as wealth and are living off interest.
Still, this would be a step in the right direction and as others said, some places do it.
This is why it has to be their time, not their money.
Realized interest is supposed to count as income, but there are so many tax loopholes that it's crazy
This is the way. For a lot of things, not just parking fees.
That would require the city to know your income.
That would require the city to know your income.
Easy enough. The city asks you when you pay the fine. If you lie, your tax return the following year shows you lied and then you get a felony charge.
The rich here in Norway have no income and no fortune if you look at their tax returns. But they own huge companies, have multiple houses and cars, etc. Not to mention the ones who have moved abroad who doesn't have tax returns at all..
The rich here in Norway have no income and no fortune if you look at their tax returns.
No income after deductions or no reported income at all? And yes I understand the concept of getting loans against assets that doesn't show up at taxable income. Do they not report income to their country of residence if it isn't Norway?
I haven't looked into it directly, but when the media looks into it every time the tax lists are released (yes, anybody can look into anybodys tax returns) then many are shown with zero in both columns.
Others move to different countries to get away from our taxes. I guess it is because they are'nt rigged in such a way that they can hide their assets or do deductibles like that. But I don't know how the countries they move to work taxwise other than that it pays off for them, or they wouldn't keep doing it.
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Not every state has income tax.
Those people still pay federal taxes
Do you think the federal government is going to answer the phone for your local municipal traffic cop tracking down a parking ticket?
They do. You pay taxes.
To the federal government. No income tax in WA.
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Steve Jobs worked out a system with the local Mercedes dealer where he’d get a new car every three months.
Why every three months? Because that was how long you could drive without a license plate, and he liked to park in handicapped spots and they couldn’t ticket him without a plate.
I’ve never understood that about America. How can you leave the dealership without a license plate. In the UK if you don’t have a plate you’re not on the road.
I think now they give you those paper plates? Not ideal, but I see them a lot, flapping in the winds.
At least until a couple years ago, California you could drive without a plate for a couple months. I'm not sure how that really worked tbh, like what would happen if you were pulled over ECT.
Now you must get a temp paper plate right as you leave the lot.
You get the paperwork folded up and taped to your windshield. Thats what you would present if you got pulled over to prove you owned the car.
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I hadn't heard that, so I looked it up. It's true, although it was every six months, not three, and California has closed that loophole now (dealers now issue and register temporary plates for new sales). I didn't see anything saying he'd parked in handicapped spots outside of the Apple car park.
I didn't see anything saying he'd parked in handicapped spots outside of the Apple car park.
This makes it no less egregious.
Thanks for the fact check. In my defense I read this on a BBS in the 90s so the details are hazy
The ultra rich don't matter in this equation. You could charge Elon Musk $10 or $10 million...it's practically the same to him.
They are anomalies. There are plenty of just-as-entitled, less-filthy-rich people.
But the $10 million would sure help the community that ticketed him
This this this.
If we are afraid the ultra rich person doesn't care, guess we are in for another 10 mil next week.
Could finance alot of things in a society.
I'm not saying we shouldn't. I'm saying this to counter the Steve Jobs anecdote above me. He exploited a loophole to avoid some fines because of his exorbitant wealth. Obviously that's a bad thing and he should've paid, and exploiting the loophole to park in handicap spaces, even at Apple (where he could just reserve a spot for himself), is just a sign of his narcissistic psychosis. But to point it at him as an example of why it wouldn't work is missing the forest for the trees.
I feel the same way about UBI. Who gives a shit if Musk gets a check for $2000 every month or whatever. He doesn't, and that's a drop in the bucket of the whole thing, especially considering he (should/would) be paying way, way, way more in funding such a program. He's a distraction. I care way more about everybody else getting it.
Proportional to income and wealth
All fines should be proportional to income or wealth, otherwise they're only punishing the poor.
I drive a wheelchair accessible minivan which is stupidly fucking expensive but not because it's a good or a luxury car. Modifications for the wheelchair access roughly doubled the total cost of the car.
I love the idea of penalties being proportional to income, but we all know cunts like musk will never pay a dime, while regular people will get fucked or ultra-fucked if they are poor.
Yeah so there should be way more reserved spots for cars like yours plus you probably wouldn't park on a side walk, cause you know how frustrating that is. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
They should increase exponentially over say a 5 year period. Anyone can not see a sign or accidentally overstay a meter now and then, starting with a "Hey jackass" amount of money that to most people would merely be an annoyance but escalate relatively quickly.
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In one downtown area i lived in, a private tow company would tow illegally parked cars from allies, street side, etc... Unless the car was a real beater and the owner would be unlikely to pick it up. One of my friends bought a super beater 2 door work truck for 300 bucks, that was his downtown car. He would drive downtown and park it anywhere, and it never got towed.
My car is worth negative money. I could become a professional parking ticket getter.
That would be unfair towards people like me who are into cars and just spend much more in proportion to my income compared to someone who just wants to go from A to B.
Only fair solution is to make it like north european countries do, based on your income.
Parking fines follow the costs-by-cause principle. Thus, qualifying them makes their size dependent on their damage.
Parking in a fire department safety zone resulting in a delayed fire response can be costly, but even if no fire response was delayed, there's an opportunity cost for the fire department, because they need to buy way-clearing devices or extended fire response tools, if there is high likelihood of blocked zones or passage.
There is a whole department of economic science dealing with this, the internalisation of external costs into economic activity (carbon tax is an example).
While this is true, it is also true that fines that are small relative to your wealth essentially mean those activities come with a convenience fee for the wealthy. Having fines that scale with income or similar maintains the severity of the infraction for people of all incomes.
Hard disagree. This implies that parking abuse is worse if you have a new car than if you have an old one, and that's just not true.
Now, if they were a percentage of income, so that it hits everyone equally (inaptly named “day fine”), I would agree!
But expensive cars also don't imply higher income at all!
Fines in general should use the day fine system.
This is actually pretty smart
Probably wouldn't work in practice
Based on current value, or value at time of sale though?
If current value, who determines that value?
Every state in the US already does this to prevent the ole 'sold this car for a $1' ruse to lower sales tax.
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