1 - do you want covid
2 - do you want your friends to get covid
3 - do you want your family to get covid
4 - do you want your community to get covid
5 - do you want covid to mutate more and make treatments start failing
6 - do you want to fill hospitals so nobody can get treatment for anything else
7 - do you want things to get bad enough that we need more drastic action

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

0 - Do you have a valid medical reason, other than "I'm a whiny little bitch who thinks my Facebook browsing makes me smarter than actual doctors," that prevents you from getting vaccinated?

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

This. I asked my doctor about it and she said we could test my blood for antibodies since I haven’t done that in years. Tetanus is due.

[+] HMH@lemmy.ml -9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The vaccine does not stop covid, it does not make you immune, it does not stop you from spreading covid and you will have to get another dose after about 3 months. And then there are possible adverse effects like myocarditis, especially for young men. All this should be considered.

There are other ways to strengthen your immune system. They should be considered too. Most people that have died due to covid have been severely ill, morbidly obese or very old. Eating healthy, getting enough exercise and making sure Vitamin D levels are sufficient will make covid much less dangerous. I much prefer that to constantly getting new boosters.

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

Tell that to the healthy 45 year old father of two who I watched die in 2020.

How are we not done with these same old stale lies yet? Covid infections cause a greater increase in risk of myocarditis. I literally just had a guy in his 30s with post-viral myocarditis on my unit a couple weeks ago.

You know what strengthens your immune system against an evolving viral threat? Booster vaccines that teach your adaptive immune system how to fight that exact viral threat.

Eat healthy, exercise, make sure you maintain your vitamin D levels AND ALSO get the god damned vaccine please.

[–] x_cell@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The vaccine does not stop covid

It does.

It does not make you immune

Not to all strains, and not completely.

it does not stop you from spreading covid

It does, by reducing symptoms like cough, which spreads the virus in the air, and by lowering your chances of having it on the first place.

and you will have to get another dose after about 3 months

I haven't checked this one, but even if true, it's a small price to pay to not having my friends and loved ones dying.

And then there are possible adverse effects like myocarditis, especially for young men. All this should be considered.

Which are extremely unlikely to happen in comparison to dying of covid.

There are other ways to strengthen your immune system. They should be considered too.

There isn't s way to strengthen your immune system, because it doesn't work that way. You either have a healthy immune system or you are immunocompromised, which may happen when you are particularly fucking up your body with drugs, going through rapid environment changes or suffering with AIDS.

People with a immune system that is too strong (that is, more aggressive and more wasteful of body resources) actually tend to develop auto immune diseases.

Most people that have died due to covid have been severely ill, morbidly obese or very old.

Yeah. And they still deserved to fucking live.

Eating healthy, getting enough exercise and making sure Vitamin D levels are sufficient will make covid much less dangerous. I much prefer that to constantly getting new boosters.

Those are indeed good practices that will lead to a healthier life, and may affect your chances with covid (especially exercise if it's cardio).

However, COVID doesn't care. Being healthier mostly means that you can take a bit more physical damage on average than other people while your immune system tries to fight the infection. It will still fuck you up and possibly cause permanent damage.

Oh, and if you have bad genetics, got wet from the rain in a cold environment, or is just way too stressed out from work? Your chances are pulled down just as much.

[–] CurrentBias@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The vaccine does not stop covid

It does.

Just nitpicking this part, cause you are correct about the rest -- not even the CDC claims that the vaccines prevent infection. "The primary goal of the COVID-19 vaccination program is to prevent severe illness and death" and "symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection," not asymptomatic infection (which is far from harmless)

[–] putoelquelolea@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

An effective vaccine reduces numbers across the board. As mentioned in the article you cited, "Vaccine effectiveness is a measure of how well vaccination protects people against health outcomes such as infection, symptomatic illness, hospitalization, and death."

That is, fewer people get sick, and fewer sick people develop symptoms, and fewer symptomatic people are hospitalized, and fewer hospitalized people die.

It seems that @HMH would like all those numbers reduced to zero, which is obviously impossible

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should I cut my nails this month? If only there was a list of 7 things I should consider.

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

I would also need a list of 7 things to consider if I should throw trash in a trash can or if I should return shopping carts.

[+] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml -11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing about a report like this is you could just as easily have gotten an asymptomatic COVID infection at some point and now be experiencing long COVID rather than symptoms as a result of the vaccine itself.

We have a person in the office who is now dead set against having any more vaccines because her blood pressure has increased a lot recently and she's positive its vaccine-related. But that seems fairly unlikely, plus she has been someone who after a few vaccines started claiming she'd had doctors tell her that COVID wasn't that bad, so she's traveled a ton compared to almost everyone else in the office, which to my mind makes it much more likely she got an asymptomatic version and now is suffering after-effects of that.

But then again, I'm not medical professional either. This is just me pointing out that correlation is not causation.

[–] thebuoyancyofcitrus@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

If you're not going to share the sources of these "studies and sources" or provide a meaningful definition of "excess deaths" then you're asking complete strangers to rely on anecdotal evidence and your own personal judgement. Seems far more irresponsible than sharing an article with multiple public health organizations and medical professionals among it sources.

[–] nix@merv.news 1 points 1 year ago

You have covid symptoms but not covid? How do you know you don’t have covid? You could also have gotten long covid from asymptomatic infections.