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The GOP is really in disarray right now. Good.
Sadly, their base is actually celebrating this.
Of course they are, it’s a win for Putin and Trump
yeeah, an insane cspan caller was trying to tell the world that him losing by 17 votes was a signal for the faithful to start the revolution. Nuckinfuts people. Hopefully he doesn't lose by 76 votes next. 😑
They fail to realize their revolution is just a schism within the GOP. They want it so badly, they're falling apart. Make it official. Split the party.
If there truly was a proper party split, that'd give progressive, and non-regressive democrats room to start ousting the geriatrics and conservatives from the party, moving the whole country's political representation leftward while GOPα. and GOPß compete with each other to be the new #2 party.
That's going to happen regardless. Basically once enough of these people die off, control will be released and at least some things can move forward. I fully expect to see a very hard push to the left.
That's precisely why the gop shot their shot and why they're so hellbent on proving thst government doesn't work by burning it down from the inside to prove their point.
Conservatives will abandon democracy before they abandon conservatism.
Exactly. And, this needs to happen if they can't even caucus together to do something as simple as select a speaker. Their internal division is paralyzing Congress because they are two parties acting like one, but not really.
The split may be larger than the vote appears to suggest. Those worried about re-election will avoid publicly opposing an ally of Trump and the base, especially if they know that colleagues in safer districts will prevent him gaining a majority anyway.
The regressive democrats are the ones in control of the party, if anything they'd throw the social democrats out
What's the dumb reasoning? They want to all to burn down?
Basically conservatives get elected and break government. They then turn around and tell their constituents that the government is broken and wasteful. Do this for enough generations and suddenly taxes are thievery and why does anyone care for infrastructure?
Evil eats its own
Jordan deserves at least as much embarrassment as McCarthy received during his campaign for the speakership.
Gym Jordan has been a national embarrassment since forever.
But that's us being embarrassed by him. Losing a bunch of speakership votes embarrasses him.
He deserves far more than that. Such as getting a cactus shoved up his ass once an hour every hour.
Let me get this straight. Jordan and all them set an artificial rule that nobody’s going to go out there and be voted on unless they have the votes. Scalise decides to bow out because he cannot get the votes locked in before the actual vote. Then Jordan and them dispense with this rule they created, go to the floor, and immediately start going through what they were allegedly trying to prevent days later?
Wow.
Why… if I didn’t know any better I would think you are accusing them of being hypocrites.
I mean I get why but it’s still baffling. It was a reasonable rule too! Why go through all this embarrassment? My guess is Jordan just wanted to get Scalise out and now he wants to weaponize the public process to build pressure on holdouts.
If Jordan becomes speaker, he'll try to use the authority to paralyze the House in a bid to get charges dropped against Trump.
Fortunately it's in the hands of the executive branch and he can't touch it.
Do you really believe that Jim cares that it won't work?
He'll just say that Biden vetoed it. It's always Biden's fault.
"Try to blame Biden!" Has become my refrain when anyone complains about something political these days.
Stalling student loan repayment was in the hands of the executive branch... all it took was republicans holding the government hostage over a shutdown like the one coming up again if they don't pass a budget resolution.
Dems need to nominate Liz Cheney for speaker. They could easily get 20 GOP votes (she was their former leader) but would only need 5 of their votes. She would still be Republican but she is also a loyal American.
The reasonable Republicans have always had the option of approaching the Democrats and making concessions in order to get a speaker elected on a bipartisan basis, they just haven't.
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Didn't she not get elected?
Weirdly enough, being a member of the House is not a requirement to be Speaker.
That’s true.
You don't have to be a congressman to be the House Speaker. Putting her up as Speaker would be a big fuck you to the people who didn't reelect her.
I approve.
Won't work this go around. The speaker pro tempore wouldn't let the vote get to the floor if they thought that might happen. It's an all republican circus this time.
He literally has to schedule floor votes. It is his only job and the constitution requires that there must be a speaker. His only power is to decide when the next vote is scheduled. He cannot control how anyone votes.
Yes but he will not be scheduling a vote if he thinks that has any chance of happening. And you aren't coordinating 217 people without him noticing. The constitution doesn't say how often they have to vote and there aren't exactly precedents requiring him to schedule a vote if he doesn't want to.
Yes but he will not be scheduling a vote if he thinks that has any chance of happening
This assumption that one person could force the House to never have a speaker is a ridiculously nonsensical argument. It is literally an impossibility for there never to be a vote for speaker. There is a 0% chance of that happening. The constitution requires it. If there is too long of a delay than the members can and obviously would hold a vote without him. And the GOP would pay a huge price in the next election for attempting to bring the idiocy to a new level.
Is it really that ridiculous? One man forced the Senate to never vote on a Supreme Court Justice, and they have the constitutional obligation to do that.
The GOP also paid no price for that.
Yes, it is really that ridiculous.
One man forced the Senate to never vote on a Supreme Court Justice
Nope. That one man was backed by the majority of members.
If you think the majority of the GOP want a functioning government, then I got some bad news for you.
You're right, it's an impossibility for there never to be a vote for speaker. But the GOP is in the driver seat. They'll either come to a consensus or there will not be a speaker until the next congress, which is in 14 months. They'll probably come to a consensus because, you're right, the electoral consequences are probably too great if they don't. But there is virtually no chance that democrats and a handful of Republicans are going to get to decide the speaker this term.
or there will not be a speaker until the next congress, which is in 14 months.
That is not a possibility. That is a completely impossible scenario for a large variety of reasons.
But there is virtually no chance that democrats and a handful of Republicans are going to get to decide the speaker this term.
There is a very significant chance. Cross party coalitions are a very common thing in state legislatures. And even Republicans are getting totally fed up with the anti-American neofascists in their party.
In the case where they don't elect a new speaker for a significant amount of time, they'll grant the speaker pro tempore additional powers in the meantime.
There might be a cross-party coalition, but it will not be a minority of Republicans. And if it does happen, it's not going to happen soon. Looking like you're working with democrats is poison to the republican base.
they'll grant the speaker pro tempore additional powers in the meantime.
Only for huge concessions and a formal power sharing arrangement.
There might be a cross-party coalition, but it will not be a minority of Republicans.
This is starting to look like the most probable scenario. A majority of congress can vote to change the rules at any time. They could give the head janitor the power to call speaker votes if they wanted to. I don't know who the next speaker will be, but I already know that Liz Cheney has a more probable chance than Gym Jordan.
Looking like you're working with democrats is poison to the republican base.
Not in Biden districts. Looking like you're working with the neofascist wing of the GOP is poison in the Biden districts.
Only for huge concessions and a formal power sharing arrangement.
Like avoiding a government shut down and aid to Ukraine? It's not like they're getting much better deals even if they help elect Cheney as speaker.
They could give the head janitor the power to call speaker votes if they wanted to.
Why would they want to, though? They'll let the Republicans swing in the wind, especially if they can get major priorities done through limited powers granted to McHenry on a temporary basis. That gives them more control, and like we've both acknowledged--this can be an electoral disaster for Republicans.
Not in Biden districts. Looking like you're working with the neofascist wing of the GOP is poison in the Biden districts.
I said the base. Even in Biden districts, they can't piss off the base too much unless they don't feel like being the republican nominee.
Like avoiding a government shut down and aid to Ukraine?
Like bringing to a floor vote everything Dems want to have a vote on.
They're already sending letters saying to give it too McHenry in 15-day increments to get a budget/another round of CR's and aid to Ukraine handled. I don't think it'll be everything the dems want but it also won't be McHenry can bring anything he wants to the floor.
I feel so sorry for the Republican Party right now. Soooo sorry. They totally didn't dig this hole for themselves. Nope. Not at all. When they hitched their wagon to a fire breathing dragon, there was simply no way to know they would get burned. They do not deserve to be in this situation.
Where are the spongebob memes?
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