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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

This is a sensitive topic for some people, so please do your best to have civil discussions. Let's do better than the average social media.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Reality keeps sliding into absurdity rendering satire mute.

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 38 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Doesn't make sense to me that religious people get violent because of something you say or draw.

If it would be wrong god will punish people who do it. If god doesn't it is not wrong. And if god doesn't but religious people do, that is them acting against god and thinking they know better then god. That is blasphemy and will make their god hate them.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I always thought that the reason that religious extremists are so obsessed with concepts like blasphemy and hatred for other sects and religions is because their very existence plants seeds of doubt in their minds. "If my beliefs are self evident and absolutely true then how can any other beliefs possibly exist?" They may turn it around and pose it as an attack on them "They are trying to make me doubt my beliefs."

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It's like all this Tate sigma male influencer horseshit. If you have to say it, you ain't it.

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[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's this image supposed to be? All I see is CENSORED.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

A week ago I was in line to check out and there was a young woman in a hijab. When she turned to help me I saw her entire face and hands (all I could see really) had acid burns all over.

The paradox of tolerance will never be something I struggle with once The Fall happens. Regardless for whichever religion seeks to lynch me.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

How did you know they were acid burns as opposed to the many other things that could burn someone?

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

once The Fall happens

What's that?

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In the words of Sam Harris: "People were murdered over cartoons. End of moral analysis."

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 127 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Satire should be staunchly defended. Some people may find it offensive and they can go fuck themselves.

Satirical publications are often the last free press able to publish in authoritarian governments and have often played a critical role in communication to weaken oppressive regimes.

We can all occasionally suffer jokes in bad taste in exchange for freedom of the press.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As in everything in life, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.

If you don't like the satire of Charlie Hebdo, your right is to not read it. If you don't like a comedian who makes pedo jokes, your right is to not buy their tickets. If you don't like a TV show that shows drug use, your right is to not watch it.

That's it. That's the end of your personal rights on that issue. You do NOT have the right to tell other people what they personally view, watch, read, etc...

If enough people share your view, that publication/comedian/show will either change or go out of business naturally because of lack of subscribers. That's how it works.

I personally find Charlie Hebdo to be racist twits. But that doesn't give me any right to kill them. I have the right to just ignore them.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What makes you think Charlie Hebdo is racist?

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Racist" is probably too strong a word, you're right.

I think "Tasteless" is more fitting. Racist would imply that they "satirise" some groups while protecting others, while Charlie Hebdo paints everyone with the same tasteless brush.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminds me of something my coworker was telling me about Leah Michele from the show Glee. A black cast mate accused her of being racist and the the rest of the cast essentially said “nah, she’s a total bitch to pretty much everyone”

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Prohibiting satire of religion is a form of blasphemy law, and blasphemy laws shouldn't exist.

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[–] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Satire should be free. Hate speech should not. People shouldn't be killed for either. I don't particularly cry when bigots die though.

All that said, there's reasons some jokes just aren't worth telling. There's times and spaces, and for some jokes there's neither and that's ok.

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 67 points 1 day ago (16 children)

It was depressing that every newspaper in the developed world didn't print the cartoon :(

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com -2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, collective punishment is always a good response that has never backfired.

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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 45 points 1 day ago

Everything is and should be allowed in comedy. Religion is no exception.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I think the people's presumption that they have some right to be free from offense has done way more damage than anything.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I don't have any issue or opinion or dog in the race with the prophet Muhammed, but those idiots made it important to say "muhammed the prophet is a giant cunt who should be laughed at and get a pie in the face" every now and then just to remind everybody how getting to talk works.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think Charlie Hebdo comics are often in bad taste and more shock value than critic, but that's no legitimate reason to massacre people.

More than the attack on Charlie Hebdo itself, which I can "understand" in the twisted sense of a religious fanatic, it was the overall ruthlessness of the attackers that shocked me. I remember vividly seeing a video of one of the attackers walking up to a wounded police officer and executing him at point-blank range.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (6 children)

"Islamists" are politically far-right - paleoconservatives, theocrats, fascists.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

See Hamtramck, MI. They took over the local government and banned pride flags. The mayor is an Islamic Trumper. It makes no sense to me.

"I got mine here in the US, so fuck the rest of you all!"

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I am legally obligated not to have an opinion

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