That really does not seem like a good place to be standing
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"reee i won't vote for harris because gaza genocide!!1!1" users on lemmy suspiciously silent now
Gazans are experiencing that hell under Biden-Harris.
Also most of the dissidents got banned from here.
Because they got banned for saying Biden was going to lose.
They got banned for saying funding Israel's genocide wasn't going to win voters.
They got banned for saying Trump being a major threat means we need a good campaign.
When you ban the people you're going to see less of them.
Harris would not have done anything different, not that trump has done anything.
Fact of the matter is the USA under Biden and Harris let Israel do whatever it wants, and rewarded them. Really what would Harris have done differently?
Harris would have made some performative statement opposing IDF overreach while sending them more military aide
Yes, but presumably with more back channel pressure on Netanyahu to tone it down and avoid expanding hostilities. Small consolation perhaps, but objectively better for Palestinian advocates.
In addition to my other comment, this is applicable: Harris didn't lose the election because of Gaza or protest voters - "the election was not close enough for the war to be a decisive factor". Harvard research and Harris polls place Gaza as 15th among voter's primary concerns. She lost because she ran what Bernie Sanders called a "disastrous campaign" that abandoned working class Americans. Instead of listening to and solidifying support among her base, she tried to court conservatives with moves like campaigning with the fucking Cheneys(!) and running commercials about wives secretly voting for her and hiding the truth from their husbands.
Democrats need to stop playing center field politically, and stop blaming left-leaning voters or protest voters for their party's failure to listen to the concerns of their base.
Wait, sources?? Citations?! Reasonable arguments?!
Sorry those are for Russian assets and Trump supporters who are famous for listening to data and arguing in good faith.
Of course the people who spent days on Lemmy screaming about how no one should vote for Harris weren't the sole cause of her loss. There was no sole cause. There were lots of causes and lots of people responsible. Unfortunately, many of those who share the blame, at least here on Lemmy, will not admit that just because they spent a huge amount of their time telling people not to vote for Harris, they have no culpability whatsoever.
And if that's the case, why did they go to all that effort?
Democrats need to stop playing center field politically, and stop blaming left-leaning voters or protest voters for their party’s failure to listen to the concerns of their base.
It's clear that they find the very prospect repulsive.
They are either humiliated, or they literally believe 4 years of genocide is worth it to send Democrats a message. I'm done giving a shit about their opinion. Half of them were probably Russian or Israeli anyway.
Pick a different subject to talk about Harris vs. Trump votes. There are arguments with a lot of merit, but this isn't one them. Like the Palestinians said, it's already hell. A hell of destroyed hospitals, schools and housing, of war crimes like murdered children, manufactured famine, rape, and torture...all with complete support from a Democrat President and large parts of his party.
Trump is going to create a lot of ruin if he accomplishes 10% of what he promises, but with the story being Trump's approach to Gaza, stop pretending as if Biden has done better or Kamala would. On that issue it's not as if either candidate would have done fuck all about Gaza other than continue to support the ethnic cleansing. There's a reason Biden will be remembered as Genocide Joe. He repeatedly, explicitly affirmed the USA's COMPLETE support of Israel and acted in accordance with that. He did nothing when Israel crossed "red lines" except provide Israel with more weapons and money. At least we're spared the torturous, blatant hypocrisy of "we're committed to peace" on the same week billions in arms deals are signed.
Let me head off rebuttals that amount to "but at least Harris might have tried". She also explicitly confirmed continued support for Israel, and offered zero credible objections to blank cheque support as VP. The only thing the world could have expected from her were more "serious concerns" speeches.
Edit: And I don't give even the slightest damn about downvotes. Both Dems and Republicans are HORRIFIC regarding this war, which has met the standard for genocide and is riddled with war crimes. I'm not going to shut up about it or pretend Harris would have been better because of popularity. Asking if protest voters feel stupid because Trump says it's going to be hell is a resounding no, because people are right in saying it's been that for over a year. America's policy was already incredibly evil with no change even hinted at from Kamala and more of the same promised. And no, I'm not a protest voter (I'm Canadian and told people to vote Harris anyways because I agreed with Bernie Sanders), I'm not Russian, or Israeli, or a fascist, or a communist, or a bot.
They're just trying to bully you into going away because then they can say that all opposition to centrists' genocide was paid shills that went away after the election. That's the narrative they're spamming in this thread.
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