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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 54 points 4 days ago (4 children)

For a good time, post this on .ml.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't call recieving near lethal doses of whataboutism "good time".

"OKAY BUT THE KRONSTADT REBELS WERE SECRETLY NAZIS. AND WHAT ABOUT THE MOVE BOMBING, HUH???"

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago

No need, they'll all come here to defend Winnie.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

READ MORE THEORY 😡

/s

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

Just make a post about Kim Jong-un banning hot dogs, they love that!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Just because authoritarians have run previous communist / socialist states doesn't mean that capitalism isn't a terrible system. Do you have healthcare? How about the people you know? I have a good life, but there are homeless people all around me. Is capitalism solving that?

Read The End of Policing to find out how much money we waste locking people up.

I'm not for communism, but I'm all about socialism.

Man I'm on the same page 100%, but that's why I think it's important to be somewhat clear in rejecting authoritarian, bureaucratic centralism. Authoritarian socialists have used and betrayed libertarian socialists again and again, I don't see much utility in defending them.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Plenty of capitalist countries have universal affordable health care systems for their people. Many even manage to have affordable housing. You just have to not be a fundamentalist about it and realize that not every realm of human activity or human need is best served by unrestricted capitalism.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago

They both suck.

And the fact that all socialist states have been authoritarian is not a coincidence, it's a feature, and you can blame Lenin for that.

Marx died before he could complete his work, and it's Lenin that introduced the theory that people are basically mindless animals that can't save themselves, so the only way to achieve communism is for them to be "guided" by a vanguard party that is formed and ran with cultish behavior.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I have a good life, but there are homeless people all around me. Is capitalism solving that?

The thing is, the self-proclaimed socialist systems (and I emphasize 'self-proclaimed') run by these authoritarian regimes doesn't solve it either.

I'm all for abolishing capitalism, but we must be careful about what we allow to serve as a template to go forward on. And 'regime which solves none of the issues of capitalism, but remains worse than a bourgeois democracy on almost all issues' is something which should be highlighted as NOT a desirable path to go down.