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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I hate how we allowed these ghouls to make the word "nonstick" synonymous with teflon/PFAS. It makes it sound like if you use a regular pan, you constantly have to scrape off burnt food or something. That's just not true, a well-seasoned regular pan can be just as "nonstick" as one with a PFAS coating. It's a fake non-problem that was invented to sell this garbage that poisons us and the environment. If it was up to me, the executives at dupont and anyone else responsible for this psyop would be sent off to labor camps (with humane working conditions of course)

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can't really cook this way oil-free though. I roast my food in a toaster oven, on a parchment paper-lined baking sheet. Took some getting used to, but I find it more convenient too.

[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why would you want to cook without any oil?

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Heart disease and diabetes are very prevalent in my family, so I generally try to keep my diet in the direction of the Esselstyn guidelines. I'm currently not entirely strict about it, it's a work in progress.

Admittedly the science of added oil vs no oil is very much an open question still, and much more studies need to be done to see if Esselstyn's relatively extreme restrictions truly make a real difference. Still, it's a safe diet, it's designed by heart specialist specifically for treating heart disease, and from what I've seen it appears to be the most promising option out there. Also, if it ever does become proven that atherosclerosis can be reversed - particularly through lifestyle interventions - I think that's really cool and exciting.

As a sidenote, for general populations, Harvard currently has the strongest evidence supporting the idea that a little oil is fine, as long as you're choosing the right ones.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sorry that is something that you have to deal with while cooking.

I'm glad that you have a plan and stuff to mitigate it.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago

Thanks, but I wouldn't say it's something unique to me. If you look at the top 10-15 causes of death, Heart disease is generally number one. On top of that, many of the other top causes are diet-related diseases as well. In other words, diet is arguably the number one cause of death and disease in industrialized nations. I just think it's sad that so many people suffer their whole lives and die prematurely from causes that are so very preventable.

[–] Marechan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You might actually not be better off with parchment paper, it is nonadhesive thanks to fluorinated compounds (PFAS) or silicone in most cases

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Marechan@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Good to hear, those are silicone based as far as I know. Not totally risk free but much much better than the alternatives.

[–] Luccus@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago (7 children)

And you don't even have to use a cast iron. I've been cooking on stainless steel for a decade. I chuck it in the dishwasher when I'm done.

And as long as it's oiled and hot, nothing sticks; not even eggs or fish. Especially if you use butter. But oil's just fine.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

"And as long as it's oiled and hot, nothing sticks; not even eggs or fish. Especially if you use butter. But oil's just fine"

My wife the pot and pan murderer would like a word.

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[–] frankpsy@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All real nonstick cookware is Teflon or chemically related to it. I almost always use cast iron or carbon steel but they are not nonstick, you have to control heat and acidity for them to release well. You can even see in nonstick pans that liquids will tend to bead up and not spread out because of the surface, versus in any other pan you'll only see water bead up when you hit certain temps. I can only achieve something like a French omelette in a nonstick pan, carbon steel has always been a disaster, because of that me and a lot of other people keep a nonstick around just for certain egg and crepe recipes.

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[–] scholar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just clean your cookware people

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago

What if my cookware isn't people and just metal pans, do I still have to clean them?

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 80 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What a ridiculous world we live in. The board members should be facing prison sentences, the company's liquidated and the money back to the people.

[–] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

The money should be put into a cancer fund to pay for research and people's medical bills from the cancer all this shit causes.

[–] RDAM_Whiskers@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Carbon steel is lovely too.

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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wikipedia makes it sound like not all Teflon pans require PFOA, which is the actual problem here (not that the article describes it clearly).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stick_surface

PFOA/PFOS is in lots of other household shit though, like raincoats

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

hashtag not all pans

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I use Greenpan, a ceramic nonstick pan

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was shopping around for nonstick pans some months ago, and exhaustively looking to see if any of them were free of pfas and other toxins. By the end I was nearly pulling my hair out because they pretty much are all bad, including Greenpan. I no longer have the variety of sources I found back then, but here's one source on them (mind you I wouldn't necessarily trust this site's recommendations either).

https://www.leafscore.com/eco-friendly-kitchen-products/why-we-no-longer-recommend-greenpan/

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Good to know, thanks for the link. I'll be sure to check out the top picks in the article

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago

You'll want to do more research from multiple sources. My memory of it is hazy, but I think I remember the enameled cast iron sets being relatively the best option (albeit expensive), but the biggest thing I remember is every time I would find one source saying brand [a] was the good one, it wasn't long before I'd find another source saying that tests showed the same brands had toxins in them. It's an exercise in frustration.

[–] Steak@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just use cast iron and stainless steel. I don't own anything else.

[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget carbon steel!

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

And enamel cookware. It's lasting forever.

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[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 day ago

These non-stick pans are usually cheaper then stainless steel and cast iron, so people with lower income are more prone to buy it. Consequently, considering that low education is associated with poverty, poor people are buying more of this type of pans and not using it "properly" so getting exposed to possibly more harm and not knowing about it.

Also, " just discard the pan if flocking occurs", is everything that this industry wants: you'll continue in an indefinitely loop of trowing away pans and buying new ones for the maximization of their profits. Thus is expected that flocking will occur more soon than ever.

[–] pistonfish@feddit.org 102 points 3 days ago (39 children)

Keep in mind that nonstick cookware is still very safe when handled correctly. The problem lies in the manufacturing of these needed chemicals. When these chemicals get into the environment, because of improper safety management, it will stay there for hundreds of years, taking it's toll on flora and fauna.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 54 points 2 days ago (19 children)

very safe when handled correctly

Too many people are not educated about that.

The problem lies in the manufacturing of these needed chemicals. When these chemicals get into the environment, because of improper safety managemen

Which is one of the reasons for that law, see:

Dubbed "Amara's Law" after 20-year-old cancer victim Amara Strande, who in 2023 succumbed to a rare type of liver cancer linked to PFAS after growing up near a Minnesota-based 3M plant that dumped them into the local water supply, the new regulation bans the chemicals and any items made with them from being sold within the state.

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[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And how do you dispose of it correctly? Cookware shouldn’t need to come with an MSDS sheet

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[–] water@lemmy.world 147 points 3 days ago (56 children)

Carbon steel or cast iron all the way.

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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 98 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Capitalists furious at suggestion they value human life over money

ftfy

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 121 points 3 days ago (10 children)

GenX was basically told that "Teflon is inert, it can't hurt you."

Well fuck me.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It is chemically inert. It just becomes a problem when you physically abrade it into billions of microparticles that become embedded in your tissues...

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

How about the suggestions that they are selling a product that should last for several lifetimes but instead lasts for 5 years if you treat it very well?

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